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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 15:57:38
May 08 2013 15:56 GMT
#52
/in

Hi! :D

Edit: If this hasn't started yet, ofc. I feel like I've missed it XD
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#63
:D
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 08:16 GMT
#311
Hey all. Sorry I've been completely inactive. I have one more final tomorrow and then I'm out for the summer. I've been keeping up as best I can, but I don't have any particularly convinced reads at the moment. I have a few people I'm averse to lynching, but that's about it.

I don't have any unique insight to add. I'm not really ready to place a vote, and I don't feel like I've seen anything I could point at and say, "Yes, I find this scummy." My D1 vote is probably going to the person who I have least reason to believe is town, but I won't be able to actively participate and figure out who that is until I'm done with my last exam in a few hours.

Oh, as for mechanics, etc. I'm down with the "reveal our movements shortly before the daypost" plan. It definitely seems best to at least find where we all are on the map, try to decrease the information advantage of the angels.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 12:49 GMT
#345
Couldn't sleep, found out my last final could be taken online and has already been released, took it, and now I'm here.

On May 16 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 17:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hey all. Sorry I've been completely inactive. I have one more final tomorrow and then I'm out for the summer. I've been keeping up as best I can, but I don't have any particularly convinced reads at the moment. I have a few people I'm averse to lynching, but that's about it.

I don't have any unique insight to add. I'm not really ready to place a vote, and I don't feel like I've seen anything I could point at and say, "Yes, I find this scummy." My D1 vote is probably going to the person who I have least reason to believe is town, but I won't be able to actively participate and figure out who that is until I'm done with my last exam in a few hours.

Oh, as for mechanics, etc. I'm down with the "reveal our movements shortly before the daypost" plan. It definitely seems best to at least find where we all are on the map, try to decrease the information advantage of the angels.

WHY WOULD YOU POST?/?????????
god. Why?

Dunno, people seemed concerned as to what was going on with me, so I figured I'd fill you in. And my options were just being honest and saying that no one sticks out to me thus far as incredibly scummy, not saying anything at all until I pop in with a vote a few hours before the night post, or elaborating thoroughly on my thought process while reading 13 pages of mafia. I assure you, you don't want to know everything that goes through my head while I'm reading mafia threads (and anyway, instead of considering what I said useless, it would all be considered "fluff").

On May 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On May 16 2013 18:34 Vivax wrote:
On May 16 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 16 2013 17:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hey all. Sorry I've been completely inactive. I have one more final tomorrow and then I'm out for the summer. I've been keeping up as best I can, but I don't have any particularly convinced reads at the moment. I have a few people I'm averse to lynching, but that's about it.

I don't have any unique insight to add. I'm not really ready to place a vote, and I don't feel like I've seen anything I could point at and say, "Yes, I find this scummy." My D1 vote is probably going to the person who I have least reason to believe is town, but I won't be able to actively participate and figure out who that is until I'm done with my last exam in a few hours.

Oh, as for mechanics, etc. I'm down with the "reveal our movements shortly before the daypost" plan. It definitely seems best to at least find where we all are on the map, try to decrease the information advantage of the angels.

WHY WOULD YOU POST?/?????????
god. Why?


To not get modkilled maybe.
Do you think that post looks scummy?

yes.
13 pages. And he has no reads. Like where is the town motivation for posting this post? It does not help town at all. At all.
So he says he has reads. But oh man I dont really wanna share them cause they are MINE, MINE!!!!!!. Also he overexplains his acceptance of the obviously great plan.

Having played with me before, expecting me to have any confident reads D1 even without exams and projects due over the first two days of a game is expecting a bit too much. The motivation for the post was that I know exactly what happens when I enter a thread after lurking/being inactive for a while, that I don't handle it well, and that it's much better to take care of it without an imminent night post looming a short while away. It helps town to not have a player jump into the game within an hour of the deadline and plop a vote down on someone with little reasoning. It helps town to let me get this load of "fluff" out of the way before we have to make a final decision for D1. Oh, and I thought I under-explained myself regarding the plan, so I'm glad I didn't go into more detail o.O
(You also say that I say I both have, and do not have reads. You should really decide what I've said before you say I said it.)

On May 16 2013 20:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
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That post is so bad that I could see it coming from a townie, actually. I'd rather expect him to do some forced bullshit push, or jump on the bandwagon against me at this point, not apologize and admit that he's got nothing to contribute.

Um nope, mafia are known for posting a good looking/longish post not saying anything cause they dont actually need to scumhunt. That looks a lot like a scum first post after not being there.

Good thing I posted a pretty short, "useless" post, then. And if you can find anyone in this thread that thinks that post was "good looking", then I'll vote for myself right now (though that's probably against the rules...). This post, however, is pretty longish, and has fancy quotes in it, so you might even consider it good looking. Oh god, am... am I an angel?

Anyway, I'm gonna try intruding into other peoples' discussions now, because I still have no idea how to scumhunt without someone else getting the ball rolling.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 13:13 GMT
#358
On May 16 2013 21:38 phagga wrote:
Vivax, Oats, what do you guys think of fferyltt?

I know I'm not vivax or oats, but fferyllt's agreement with BH was one of the few things that caught my attention earlier. The fact that he agreed without any reasoning from BH (who I assumed had some kind of meta-related knowledge) and without providing any reasoning himself (when he, himself, has said that he has no meta knowledge yet) felt like trying to participate without actually participating. And while zephirdd and marv saw his last post as enough to alleviate suspicion of him, I saw it much the way you did.

I have two problems, though. The first is that he does come from mafiascum (I believe) and I once tried playing on other forums and the play just felt distinctly different than it is here. Makes me wonder if it's scum avoiding participating or new town (on TL) not knowing how to participate. The second is more of a personal one, since I probably allow my interpretation of tone to interfere with logic more than I should, but the way he nonchalantly responded to Zephirdd's post (here) makes me feel like he's town, simply because I feel an angel would be more concerned with his own survival. Especially as the player with arguably the least knowledge of other players in the game. At least, were I in his position, I'd probably feel less... aloof? That's probably not the right word, but I think it gets the point across.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 13:26 GMT
#366
On May 16 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
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On May 16 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
On May 16 2013 22:09 Vivax wrote:
Marv, you're starting to piss me off. Think about a good strategy instead of talking about "scumslips".

For example, the majority of players is on the left, if you want to reach the sides of the board, what would you do? You would let everyone move left, cause if everyone moves right, logically the majority would reach a position in the middle.


You provided the specific example of B and J being together and how they should move optimally.

How do you propose we do anything about this when we don't know who we are?


I don't have anything concrete for them, I was trying to start some general musing about strategy.
There might be a pattern to use to maximize the effectiveness of people being close to each other, the movement they make, the direction they face.

And by pattern I mean, something everyone can agree on using, maybe cause there is a constellation on the board that encourages the use of a specific common strategy.

If we try to use a pattern (i.e. all use similar movements in order to manipulate B and J into some potentially favorable position), then we won't know who everyone is tomorrow, as we will all have used the same movements. The only way I could see this seeming superior to the original plan was if you already know where everyone is and it slipped your mind that the rest of us didn't.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 13:31 GMT
#369
On May 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
fferyllt.
Lets see, his only contribution so far is echoing BH's zeph read. And posting a list post. I like that list post though, he points out that UoN is whiteknighting him, something I think scum wouldnt say. Why attack someone who is defending you?
So yeah town side of null.

About Phagga, I really am liking his recent attacking dudes, asking questions, getting fucking off talking about setup.

I could see scum pointing out any action that a townie could accidentally take that would make him appear scummy to others. Actually, it's pretty much their main source of "scumreads".
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 13:41 GMT
#372
Now I'm wondering if Vivax doesn't fully understand how movement works (or if I don't), or if we're misunderstanding what he's trying to say...
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 13:55 GMT
#377
On May 16 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On May 16 2013 22:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
On May 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
fferyllt.
Lets see, his only contribution so far is echoing BH's zeph read. And posting a list post. I like that list post though, he points out that UoN is whiteknighting him, something I think scum wouldnt say. Why attack someone who is defending you?
So yeah town side of null.

About Phagga, I really am liking his recent attacking dudes, asking questions, getting fucking off talking about setup.

I could see scum pointing out any action that a townie could accidentally take that would make him appear scummy to others. Actually, it's pretty much their main source of "scumreads".

well no, no one really looks at 'whiteknighting' here. Like if it was a legit defense, fine. If not, SMASH YOUR FACE IN. Yeah. And sentinel didnt really get pressured on that.
Think of the mindset.
A townie wants to find scum. 'hey this dude defended me for no reason. Why? I think its scummy'
Scum wants to stay alive. 'Oh good someone thinks im town'.

Yeah.

I guess I just see too many possibilities, and can't decide which are more likely than the others. I follow your reasoning, but I don't think it necessarily invalidates mine. Like, I've seen enough people called scummy for "defending" someone only to have those people flip town, that I think if I were scum it would occur to me to call out a townie for "defending" me.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 15:05 GMT
#388
So Oats, you don't believe vivax's excuse? Is there a particular reason?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 15:08 GMT
#390
Just to make sure I'm following, are you two talking about vivax's explanations for his recent posts, or sentinel's explanations earlier D1?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 15:31 GMT
#399
Sharrant, I believe he's not lying about his understanding of movement. My problem is that I'm not sure whether it's more likely for scum vivax or town vivax to have tried to get us to change the plan given this misunderstanding. If he's telling the truth, do you definitely believe him to be town?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 15:53 GMT
#406
It also potentially outs puppets for making Angel favoured moves, or making improper reports.

What are the improper reports you're referring to?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 19:53 GMT
#489
I'm gonna vote for vivax. My reasoning centers entirely around his "scumslip". It ultimately boils down to the fact that saying we should use some sort of pattern was a deliberate choice, and it's a choice that I don't think a townie would make given the fact that we kind of really want to know where everyone is. Whether or not he actually misunderstood the rules (I probably should have just kept my mouth shut, but it was the foremost possibility in my head at the time), I don't think that town vivax would try to change a plan that achieves the most for town just to get two people in a corner together, or something.

Pre-edit: Ugh, I apparently did my vote-checking wrong. I don't want a no-lynch either, though I have few thoughts on deconduo aside from the fact that his case on ghost did seem like low hanging fruit. I'll vote decon to avoid the no-lynch, but I would definitely prefer vivax...

##Vote: deconduo
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 19:56 GMT
#498
I'll go vivax for sure. Lemme know.

and do we post our moves now, or after the deadline?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 20:04 GMT
#534
Uhh, I'm unsure of where we are at the moment (and by my votecount, we already had 7 on vivax by the time I switched my vote; the last votecount in the voting thread has 4 people but only counted 3).

Anyway, can we post our moves still?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 21:07 GMT
#548
turn backwards, forward 1, left 2, forward 1, left 1
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 21:23 GMT
#562
I can confirm I is likely looking over the edge or into the wall, as that's the only one (I think) that moved in my pattern. I'd bet disabling flashlights is one of the angels' powers.

gg marv, vivax~
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 21:34 GMT
#570
On May 17 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm E, since E moved forwards 2 and sc;utted crabwise 3

Didn't E move forward 3 and left 2?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 16 2013 21:57 GMT
#581
On May 17 2013 06:39 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 06:34 mkfuba07 wrote:
On May 17 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm E, since E moved forwards 2 and sc;utted crabwise 3

Didn't E move forward 3 and left 2?


that's what he did:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 04:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I look forwards. I move 3 tiles forwards and scuttle 2 tiles crabwise to the left.


Yeah, my bad. His second one had them backwards, so I got confused.
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