• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:28
CEST 01:28
KST 08:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy9[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple1BSL Season 235Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool Bot on ladder [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy new ranked ladder hack?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27!
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8399 users

Carnival Cruise Mafia

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 14 2013 12:19 GMT
#4
/in
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 16 2013 03:38 GMT
#7
/out
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 10 2013 23:01 GMT
#91
/in
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 11:13 GMT
#125
/confirm
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 11:53 GMT
#126
are we allowed to start posting?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 18:30 GMT
#141
Ok. Cool.

I am a Wall street Investor. Which is a self aware miller.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 18:38 GMT
#145
On May 13 2013 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 03:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok. Cool.

I am a Wall street Investor. Which is a self aware miller.

are you sure?


Yes. I read my role PM i am a self aware miller so I am claiming straight up.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:00 GMT
#178
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.

I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.

Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.

They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:03 GMT
#182
On May 13 2013 04:40 ObviousOne wrote:
We have a miller claim. He is either:

Miller and will show up red
Mafia and will show up red
Or
Godfather or gaming with a framer role as mafia to bait a check

So potential cop(s) has one less person to check and a potential parity cop(s) knows to steer clear.

Ergo, as I said, analysis will be your salvation.


So. Are you just saying nothing here while trying to say something. What, exactly does this add to the discussion?

How does listing all the potential 'scenarios' with my claim and then saying they are all irrelevant contribute to the analysis which will 'save' us?

And I don't even know what you are saying with the last bit?

I would claim miller as godfather when i would come back green? Ridiculous.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:12 GMT
#190
On May 13 2013 05:03 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.

I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.

Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.

They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.



So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying?

Show nested quote +
Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.


that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...)


Getting vigged is a worse case scenario and is better than a mislynch from a blown cop check. Obviously.

It is WIFOM but it is also correct.

How likely do you think it would be that on the first day I, as scum, would paint a giant target on my head for literally no reason in order to hopefully get a fake claim through? I don't need to do that. I am good at playing scum. It would be terrible scum play.

On May 13 2013 05:02 Vivax wrote:
Any conclusions from the reactions to your miller claim brah?


I think people trying to read anything scummy into it are either scummy or bad TBH.
I would actually agree with obvious on it if he didn't use so much fluff in his post. It should be null at worst. Don't waste a check and judge me on my contributions.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:23 GMT
#193
On May 13 2013 05:14 shirokami wrote:
actually I have won as scum with stupid early fakeclaim. but well who knows, im just a noob


Was that in a newbie? Shit like that only works in newbies generally and as scum it is never worth it to try and pull something so risky so early. Especially when the risk (huge target early N0) is not commensurate with the payoff (don't die to a cop check which i am never afraid of anyway as scum)

Literally the logic behind claiming a miller as town is more solid than claiming as scum

As town you don't care about being a big target because it promotes discussion and is pro town. As town you don't want to be wasting checks but more importantly you don't want to be mislynched.

As scum the better play is to not get checked, because the absolute LAST thing you want is to be a target early. I could easily have played as to not get checked as miller, but it was clearly better for town as a whole to claim for the aforementioned reasons.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:25 GMT
#194
On May 13 2013 05:18 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 05:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 13 2013 05:03 chaoser wrote:
On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.

I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.

Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.

They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.



So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying?

Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.


that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...)


Getting vigged is a worse case scenario and is better than a mislynch from a blown cop check. Obviously.

It is WIFOM but it is also correct.

How likely do you think it would be that on the first day I, as scum, would paint a giant target on my head for literally no reason in order to hopefully get a fake claim through? I don't need to do that. I am good at playing scum. It would be terrible scum play.

On May 13 2013 05:02 Vivax wrote:
Any conclusions from the reactions to your miller claim brah?


I think people trying to read anything scummy into it are either scummy or bad TBH.
I would actually agree with obvious on it if he didn't use so much fluff in his post. It should be null at worst. Don't waste a check and judge me on my contributions.

I'm legitimately sorry that you don't like how I write. I have my past games in my profile if you would like to sample how I write as town (it's actually quite drastically different from my scum play which sucks for next time I roll scum). Please feel free to check specifically into LXI (for your own knowledge, ongoing game) and RED Team's Prize for more recent examples of how my town play goes. How did Keirathi put it? "It's just OO being OO." (paraphrased from memory).


My not liking the fluff in your post is literally the least important thing in that post. I don't get why you are being so defensive either.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:29 GMT
#197
On May 13 2013 05:26 shirokami wrote:
@DP
nah it was some other forum game.


Well stupid early fakeclims are still stupid and unnecessary.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:33 GMT
#201
On May 13 2013 05:31 ObviousOne wrote:
You say defensive. I say proactive.


So you are proactively defending yourself before anyone really attacks you. Seems like intrinsic guilt to me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:41 GMT
#211
On May 13 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote:
@HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them.

@ObviousOne Are you serious?


It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them.

I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit.

For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed.

If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today).


That is actually true that miller is an auto town claim in C9++ or other open set ups but it is still a good town play to claim straight away in my opinion and others.

I am not an excellent policy lynch though, I am a bad lynch period. If you want to kill me use a vig shot. Otherwise wait a while and see. Lynching me straight up is just silly.

And I would never claim anything day one as scum, let alone somethign as batshit crazy to claim as miller in a closed setup. I might crumb something. My one and only fake claim was basically forced out of me AFTER I crumbed it and AFTER everyone mass claimed and were pressuring me to follow suit.

like just apply some thought to claiming miller this early as scum in a game which most likely contains vigilantes there is no follow up or promotion of a mafia agenda by doing this. it is plain suicide.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:45 GMT
#215
On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game.


you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:53 GMT
#220
On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game.


you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions.

How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead?


Ah LOL? I just claimed miller and am copping a ton of heat for it obviously. I don't want to get vigged so I am trying to be very clear about why i did what i did. I am trying to establish my innocence. Also half the thread haven't posted yet and you have absolutely fuck all in your filter so why don't you worry about yourself and i'll worry about myself ok?

Also telling someone who is already active and posting to start scum hunting doesn't count as scum hunting either
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#222
On May 13 2013 05:52 HiroPro wrote:
obviousone smells bad. I wouldn't mind killing him either.

The post where he backtracks on DarthPunk and says "oh, he's suspicious since he's not here right now" seems out of place and looks more like a post from mafia trying to play both sides of the argument. also, if he doesn't put a lot of stock in early claims, why does he even care that darthpunk isn't around after claiming?


Yeah i tend to agree that obvious looks like the scummiest in the thread right now. But he could just be bad/new so I want to wait and see if he actually says anything useful.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#225
On May 13 2013 05:53 ObviousOne wrote:
I do not smell bad. I took a shower last night. And shame on you for sniffing me in public.


For your own sake stop posting stuff like this and try and post something meaningful.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 12 2013 21:00 GMT
#227
On May 13 2013 05:55 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game.


you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions.

How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead?


that's a ridiculous statement to make...


I know right? Especially when he has done nothing all game, posts that and then fucks off.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE141
Nina 121
Has 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11389
Artosis 553
Rush 212
910 15
Dota 2
monkeys_forever468
League of Legends
Doublelift5006
Counter-Strike
minikerr1
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox303
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4472
Other Games
summit1g9308
shahzam565
Day[9].tv431
JimRising 330
C9.Mang0260
CosmosSc2 31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick467
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile142
• musti20045 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Day9tv431
• Shiphtur343
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
32m
Kung Fu Cup
11h 32m
The PondCast
1d 10h
Replay Cast
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
GSL
4 days
Yamato Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.