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I am a Wall street Investor. Which is a self aware miller. | ||
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Yes. I read my role PM i am a self aware miller so I am claiming straight up. | ||
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I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch. Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that. They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town. | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:40 ObviousOne wrote: We have a miller claim. He is either: Miller and will show up red Mafia and will show up red Or Godfather or gaming with a framer role as mafia to bait a check So potential cop(s) has one less person to check and a potential parity cop(s) knows to steer clear. Ergo, as I said, analysis will be your salvation. So. Are you just saying nothing here while trying to say something. What, exactly does this add to the discussion? How does listing all the potential 'scenarios' with my claim and then saying they are all irrelevant contribute to the analysis which will 'save' us? And I don't even know what you are saying with the last bit? I would claim miller as godfather when i would come back green? Ridiculous. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:03 chaoser wrote: So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying? that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...) Getting vigged is a worse case scenario and is better than a mislynch from a blown cop check. Obviously. It is WIFOM but it is also correct. How likely do you think it would be that on the first day I, as scum, would paint a giant target on my head for literally no reason in order to hopefully get a fake claim through? I don't need to do that. I am good at playing scum. It would be terrible scum play. On May 13 2013 05:02 Vivax wrote: Any conclusions from the reactions to your miller claim brah? I think people trying to read anything scummy into it are either scummy or bad TBH. I would actually agree with obvious on it if he didn't use so much fluff in his post. It should be null at worst. Don't waste a check and judge me on my contributions. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:14 shirokami wrote: actually I have won as scum with stupid early fakeclaim. but well who knows, im just a noob Was that in a newbie? Shit like that only works in newbies generally and as scum it is never worth it to try and pull something so risky so early. Especially when the risk (huge target early N0) is not commensurate with the payoff (don't die to a cop check which i am never afraid of anyway as scum) Literally the logic behind claiming a miller as town is more solid than claiming as scum As town you don't care about being a big target because it promotes discussion and is pro town. As town you don't want to be wasting checks but more importantly you don't want to be mislynched. As scum the better play is to not get checked, because the absolute LAST thing you want is to be a target early. I could easily have played as to not get checked as miller, but it was clearly better for town as a whole to claim for the aforementioned reasons. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:18 ObviousOne wrote: I'm legitimately sorry that you don't like how I write. I have my past games in my profile if you would like to sample how I write as town (it's actually quite drastically different from my scum play which sucks for next time I roll scum). Please feel free to check specifically into LXI (for your own knowledge, ongoing game) and RED Team's Prize for more recent examples of how my town play goes. How did Keirathi put it? "It's just OO being OO." (paraphrased from memory). My not liking the fluff in your post is literally the least important thing in that post. I don't get why you are being so defensive either. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:26 shirokami wrote: @DP nah it was some other forum game. Well stupid early fakeclims are still stupid and unnecessary. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:31 ObviousOne wrote: You say defensive. I say proactive. So you are proactively defending yourself before anyone really attacks you. Seems like intrinsic guilt to me. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote: It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them. I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit. For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed. If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today). That is actually true that miller is an auto town claim in C9++ or other open set ups but it is still a good town play to claim straight away in my opinion and others. I am not an excellent policy lynch though, I am a bad lynch period. If you want to kill me use a vig shot. Otherwise wait a while and see. Lynching me straight up is just silly. And I would never claim anything day one as scum, let alone somethign as batshit crazy to claim as miller in a closed setup. I might crumb something. My one and only fake claim was basically forced out of me AFTER I crumbed it and AFTER everyone mass claimed and were pressuring me to follow suit. like just apply some thought to claiming miller this early as scum in a game which most likely contains vigilantes there is no follow up or promotion of a mafia agenda by doing this. it is plain suicide. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP? You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Ah LOL? I just claimed miller and am copping a ton of heat for it obviously. I don't want to get vigged so I am trying to be very clear about why i did what i did. I am trying to establish my innocence. Also half the thread haven't posted yet and you have absolutely fuck all in your filter so why don't you worry about yourself and i'll worry about myself ok? Also telling someone who is already active and posting to start scum hunting doesn't count as scum hunting either  | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:52 HiroPro wrote: obviousone smells bad. I wouldn't mind killing him either. The post where he backtracks on DarthPunk and says "oh, he's suspicious since he's not here right now" seems out of place and looks more like a post from mafia trying to play both sides of the argument. also, if he doesn't put a lot of stock in early claims, why does he even care that darthpunk isn't around after claiming? Yeah i tend to agree that obvious looks like the scummiest in the thread right now. But he could just be bad/new so I want to wait and see if he actually says anything useful. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:53 ObviousOne wrote: I do not smell bad. I took a shower last night. And shame on you for sniffing me in public. For your own sake stop posting stuff like this and try and post something meaningful. | ||
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I know right? Especially when he has done nothing all game, posts that and then fucks off. | ||
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