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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 19 2013 16:54 GMT
#24
/in
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 20 2013 01:54 GMT
#41
the OP says there will be no third party, does this preclude the possibility of a Fourth Party Planar Dragon?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 20 2013 16:01 GMT
#46
On March 21 2013 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kurumi was the catwoman in BCAC. He was a sassy bish that WBG made purr with the stroke of his hand.


for like the first five months i was here i had kurumi and katina confused and thought kurumi was a woman.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 25 2013 14:35 GMT
#82
Thread Bump! One or two more people sign up!
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:38 GMT
#159
On March 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll throw the first stone:

##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice!


I am so down with this

On March 26 2013 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

Why do you assume i was serious in the first place?


aww fuck

calling it right now prp/ryan scum team

On March 26 2013 09:00 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:22 sinani206 wrote:
Hello everyone, looks like an action-packed first hour of play. I am posting in prplhz's one hour time limit to not get lynched, as dying day 1 is not fun. The conversation on this page with the 3 statements, 2 are true thing looks pretty useless, and maybe even scummy.


Nothing is "maybe" scummy. It either is, or it isn't. Which is it?

this is stupid. dont be stupid.

Anyway ##vote: prplhz

- doesn't sound like normal town prplhz - he's proposing things to try and be helpful
- doesn't follow his own advice
- suspicious interactions with other players

yeah i'm totes down with this.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:44 GMT
#162
stop talking about the role pm
if he really didn't read it we can argue about it in the banlist postgame.
as of right now it's no different than claiming "I AM AMERICA AND SO CAN YOU" and typing ##Nuke Kurumi in the thread. it's stupid and stop talking about it and start talking about prplhz
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:52 GMT
#168
On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?

Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay!


this doesn't sound like something prplhz would say

and i think "not following your own advice for creating a good town atmosphere" is quite a strong scumhunting heuristic
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:53 GMT
#169
so @marv, yes.

that said there's obviously a reason that days are 48 hours long instead of 2. if prplhz shows up and starts posting again, i'm not gonna be like "you scum i ignore you booo". but as things stand now, prplhz should hang.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:06 GMT
#175
On March 26 2013 09:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 09:53 strongandbig wrote:
so @marv, yes.

that said there's obviously a reason that days are 48 hours long instead of 2. if prplhz shows up and starts posting again, i'm not gonna be like "you scum i ignore you booo". but as things stand now, prplhz should hang.


So you're genuinely calling someone with 3 posts right at the start 'spammy'.

Also prplhz often comes into the thread with generalised advice as town. In fact it's what he usually does as town. I know this because I researched a billion (yes, a billion) of prplhz's 'openers' in LIX when I was pursuing him as mafia.

Please also elaborate on 'suspicious interactions'.


Content per post ratio was low, they came in quick succession, and when you have just told the thread that the current state of the game is too spammy and bad for town, there's a different burden for what constitutes "spammy."

When prplhz comes in with generalized advice as town, does he often explicitly disregard it almost instantly?

Suspicious interactions - I don't like how that one guy was so quick to effectively retract his vote by implying it was not serious. Especially when he didn't unvote.

This is obviously a really shitty reason to say prplhz is scum. You should focus on the real reason. But I wanted to mention it as it did influence my thought process.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:08 GMT
#178
On March 26 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
I love how everyone:

Actually believes that OO hasn't read his role pm.

and

Is now going to talk about meta reads even when Ace just posted a thread saying meta reads should not be followed.

-slow claps-

What is a meta read and why is this particular thing that you claim constitutes a meta read a bad piece of information to use?
Why does your comment on OO help town or advance discussion? We've moved past that point, why try and drag us back?
Y u so bad?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:14 GMT
#179
On March 26 2013 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
How do you expect content to be high when he's the first person posting? There's also a pretty significant and large difference between making a couple of posts at the start of the game and spamming in general (how Dandel plays, how I played in Personality). I'm just genuinely staggered you believe in what you're saying here. But do carry on.


If he was going to be true to his ideal, he should either have apple posting and waited until someone said something he could comment on in a worthwhile way, or he should have made an effort to do some legitimate analysis on something that was in the thread. You should always be making the best case you can make, even if best isn't very good yet.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:17 GMT
#183
On March 26 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
S&B: I never said i wasn't serious with my vote. I asked marv why does he assume i am serious. Something he also failed to answer.

Don't split hairs. You never said your case wasn't serious but by jumping to its seriousness as soon as Marv criticized it you quite strongly implied it wasn't serious.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:19 GMT
#184
On March 26 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
It's my opinion that we shouldn't read too much into OO's role pm crap.

I've already called out Rayn for being scummy, at least that has some decent thinking behind it. I call him out and then he goes afk. Coincidence? I think not.


Answer my questions about meta reads
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 02:53 GMT
#236
On March 26 2013 10:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?

Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find.

The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum.

Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case.

The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post.

Other than that part, you are right.

It is entirely irrelevant how "easy" something is to do.

What matters are the hard things.


Why are you trying to imitate blazing hand trying to imitate his own meta?

Everyone plz discuss dandel ion.

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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 03:49 GMT
#250
On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.

@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion?


u scum bro?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 04:12 GMT
#260
yeah man you didnt even call me scum when you thought i was being stupid

you third party survivor or something
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 04:13 GMT
#261
On March 26 2013 13:12 strongandbig wrote:
yeah man you didnt even call me scum when you thought i was being stupid

you third party survivor or something


that was @marvellosity
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 14:34 GMT
#387
On March 26 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 26 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dudes.

Why are you ignoring SnB's horrible case on Prp?

##Vote: strongandbig


What makes it scummy as opposed to a stupid townie thing?


Because it was stupid and SnB isnt stupid.

Like somethings you can brush away by saying that this dude is dumb, but some you cant.

It looked like he wanted to try and mislynch prp and now its gone HORRIBLY WRONG.
So he disappears.

Insertsmurfhere is not scum I think although dandel is null for me.
(YAY RANDOM READS OUTTA NOWHERE)

So oats I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'm pretty good at atomic physics, it's true. Seven years ago I also got 36/36 on the ACT and 1600 on the real part of the SAT (fucking writing section). So okay suppose I'm smart.

Do you really think that means I can't make a bad case? Or that I can't think a case is good for reasons that other people disagree with? If you really want me to I can point you to past games where I've made cases that everyone else said were bad. I was town in those games. When I'm sum I don't make bad cases, I just don't make cases.

Do you really think I was settin up to "try to push a prplhz lynch" singlehandedly, in a game with people who have much more "mafia rep" than I do, and who have much more time to put in than I have? That doesn't sound like a "smart" thing to do.

(Pro tip if you look in my filter you can even find out what I was actually doing and why! Treasure hunt!)
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 14:46 GMT
#393
On March 26 2013 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Because he takes some stuff which is not indicative of alignment at all and calls it scummy.


+ Show Spoiler [keirathi's case post] +
On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now.

I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO.


Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.

I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.

##Vote Grackaroni

Any reason in particular?


He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back.

But, even more than that:

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum.

I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far).

By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games?

He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer.

And finally:

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote:
You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.)

I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM.

the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave)

Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me.


Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:
On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.

@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion?


u scum bro?

No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason.


The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance.



How can you say that this stuff is not alignment indicative? "Caring more about looking townie than actually helping town" is like the *definition* of alignment indicative.

I'm seeing a lot I don't like from acro at the moment.

Also yeah I've been getting uber shat on but it would be cool if prplhz showed up sometime in the next few hours and posted some stuff. There's quite a lot that he could actually comment on now productively and without unnecessarily cluttering the thread again.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 14:51 GMT
#397
And @oats yeah chrono was my most recent scum game. I wasn't really thinking of that or wliia though cause they were so themed-ey, and so far this game doesn't seem like that. I was thinking more of TL lvwhatever, but maybe I do make bad cases as scum now? Anyway "tunneling Drazerk into oblivion" doesn't count, that's just something I do.
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