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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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The hour of the scum is past. It is OUR time now. Let us take what is rightfully ours. This world is full of liars and deceivers. We must root them out, flay the skin from their bodies, and show the whole world that no one dare trifle with us. We. Are. Legion. P.S. If any man dies with a clean sword, I will fuck your corpse. P.P.S: What the hells is this? On March 26 2013 08:22 sinani206 wrote: Hello everyone, looks like an action-packed first hour of play. I am posting in prplhz's one hour time limit to not get lynched, as dying day 1 is not fun. The conversation on this page with the 3 statements, 2 are true thing looks pretty useless, and maybe even scummy. Nothing is "maybe" scummy. It either is, or it isn't. Which is it? | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 09:13 Dandel Ion wrote: But you heavily imply you don't believe he's not read it. If that is the case, you shouldn't lean null, you should lean scum. cuz It's null to not read it. but It's scum to lie about it. So you think he's lying, but without the calling-scum part. Lying about something stupid doesn't make someone scum. This whole argument is dumb. I don't think Obvious is going to play without reading his role PM. Maybe he hadn't read it when he posted that first post, maybe it had. It doesn't matter one single iota. And, to be fair, his wording was ambiguous anyways. Technically he could have told 3 true things and not failed his statement. It's the whole "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to too" thing. | ||
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Dandel said "If obvious read his PM, then came to the thread and said he didn't, then he's a liar therefore scum", and Grack asked what the scum motivation for doing that was. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? There's nothing to "answer". S&B pushed a case on prplhz. I disagree with his conclusion, and I said so. No reason to keep it to myself when I believe someone is pushing a bad case. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. I agree with you. I never said "yea, prplhz's first post makes him town. He never does that as scum." I just said that S&B's terrible reasoning didn't make prplhz scum, because it can be demonstrably shown that prplhz makes the same kinds of posts as town *AND* scum. | ||
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What is there to explain? He randomly voted for someone for no reason, so I did too. | ||
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On March 26 2013 11:00 Palmar wrote: No you didn't, in fact this sentence cannot possibly be true, since the latter part "so I did too" implies that you voted based on my vote, and thus you have a reason, which contradicts your first sentence that claims there is no reason to either vote. Touche. | ||
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On March 26 2013 13:20 Hapahauli wrote: This game is anything but right now. All I have from you is a) A couple of non-serious early-game votes b) A bunch of wishy-washy attitudes on several players Come on Hapa. Really? That goes against everything you know about scum marv. Hell, it directly contradicts the big case you pushed on him in GSL 3. Why you using backwards logic? :o | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 13:49 Hapahauli wrote: The GSL III case was incredibly situational. Err, what? How is a meta case 'situational'? That goes completely against the meaning of what meta is. And its not like I'm even saying that I think that marv is town. You are right, he has seemed kind of emotionally distanced from the game, at least up until this point. I just don't see how you can use those 2 points in one game to point to "this is how town marv plays", and then use the same 2 points in another game to say "we have scum marv this game". No sense does thou make. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote: + Show Spoiler + ==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim. I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason. (An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent. Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think? Oh god, I've created a monster. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 14:14 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway Kei, let's address your contributions to the thread right now. You apparently agree with some part of my suspicions, yet are questioning the most active/spammy player here. What's your objective purpose in that? 1) I don't care how active/spammy you are. I want to figure out your intentions. You have a good head on your shoulders, and the ability to reason through reads well. If you can't see why I did a double take when you posted that, then either you're blind or being obstinate for some reason. And I don't think you are blind, so I'm trying to figure out what that reasoning is. 2)My objective purpose is to shut down cases that I think have terrible reasoning. Or, parts of cases, in this situation. Same reason I responded about S&B's case on prplhz. + Show Spoiler + As an aside, I will *NEVER*, in any game, condone a day 1 lynch on marv (and will actively attempt to stop one if a bandwagon starts) unless he gets 100% caught with his pants down, so to speak. And, he's too good to slip up that bad as scum anyways. He's too big of an asset to town to mislynch, and even in bad games he still has the ability to destroy scum teams. On March 26 2013 14:14 Hapahauli wrote: Secondly, you're quick to criticize my opinions, but haven't put forth any of yours. What are your thoughts on marv? Howabout InsertSmurfHere? Hell anyone. Not interested in marv. If he's town, he'll show it well enough. Smurf: His meta stuff was bullshit, as you've already said. And I know that Dandel has some kind of personal grudge against marv for shit that happened 2 months ago, so the rest of his points kind of don't mean alot, but I can see where they were coming from at least. Mostly 'meh' on that part, tbh. The most interesting thing about the whole interaction was how he called Dandel a "spammy, scummy fucker" and then in the next post said "Oh, I guess you're content to let him lurk?" Can't lurk and be spammy. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 14:43 Hapahauli wrote: @ Kei I'm not advocating lynching marv on Day 1, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that to you in previous games. However that does not mean his behavior right now is undeserved of scrutiny and pressure. 'Cause he's done nothing, and he generally loves spamming on Day 1 as town. Like contrast his early-game in Hydra with his game in this one. It's pretty darn different. Meh, it's different from Hydra, sure. But, it's not so different from some of his other town games. LVIII, Dwarfs, Can't Believe, etc come to mind from games that I played in. | ||
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Keirathi
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I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote: I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote: You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.) I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM. the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave) Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me. On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote: No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. | ||
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