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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-23 23:29:45
February 23 2013 23:29 GMT
#88
On February 24 2013 00:01 HiroPro wrote:
I might need another player to take Palmar's spot. Just post here if you want to play.


I can fill for Palmar if you need a player, though I don't want to cut in front of the replacements if either Prome or Supersoft wants a crack at it.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 19:56 GMT
#106
Howdy town! Fresh off a break from mafia, and it's nice to roll town again =)

@ Marv
There was one other thing I had a vague idea about. Maybe if we can decide on a good target or two, we should get the two 'scummiest' dudes to duel each other. Seems like that might be a decent idea anyway.


I was thinking along these lines as well. A majority of discussion (time wise) revolves AFTER the duel is called. We don't want to get in situations where people with a super-townie reputation are calling duels themselves. Calling a duel like that would be more like a vigi shot than anything else.

The only potential problem would be enforcement. The only way we can get two "scummy" players up on the block is if one of them calls a duel, which is directly against their own interests (town or scum). This is where we need to enforce a policy lynch IMO - if town asks you to duel, and you do not, you get lynched next cycle.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 20:05 GMT
#108
On February 25 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
You're going to have a hard enough time choosing one player you want dead, much less two.


This a problem? I've never had problems being super-paranoid early days.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:32 GMT
#115
@ Yamato
On February 25 2013 05:55 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
You're going to have a hard enough time choosing one player you want dead, much less two.


This a problem? I've never had problems being super-paranoid early days.

I'm talking about consolidation and getting town to agree on the choices, not personal reads.

Picking two people that everyone agrees are scummy is many times more difficult than picking just one person and having a townie player duel them and get them lynched.


Conflict and controversy tends to lead to additional discussion. It's "unanimous" lynches that lead to problems and inactive towns. We have 48-hours of discussion AFTER the duel is chosen for a reason. We can't have a policy that pre-determines our lynch actions in a 24-hour duel-choice period.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:33 GMT
#116
I feel like you're treating this too much like the wild-west and not enough like a mafia game Yamato. The Duel mechanic can absolutely fuck us over if used rashly.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#117
On February 25 2013 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
...
For the record, if the deadline is coming up and people are arguing incessantly about these two choices, I'm going to just pick one and lynch him. I'm your insurance, I suppose, because my method isn't a best-case scenario idea of the lynch like getting town to consolidate on two choices.


We're in the night-cycle right now no? We have ~50 hours left until we need to chose a duel.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:46 GMT
#120
On February 25 2013 06:39 yamato77 wrote:
What you're proposing is a policy, and one that is insanely difficult to enforce.

I understand how having one town looking player duel one mafia looking player might stagnate discussion after the duel. I do think I will be able to extract enough information from the selection period to make a good lynch decision on my own, however, should town fail to implement you guy's plan effectively.


Hence the policy I proposed earlier.

@ Marv
On February 25 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I'll talk about it more after dinner. I don't like Corazon already.


Can you expand on Cora?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:52 GMT
#125
On February 25 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 06:39 yamato77 wrote:
What you're proposing is a policy, and one that is insanely difficult to enforce.

I understand how having one town looking player duel one mafia looking player might stagnate discussion after the duel. I do think I will be able to extract enough information from the selection period to make a good lynch decision on my own, however, should town fail to implement you guy's plan effectively.


Hence the policy I proposed earlier.

@ Marv
On February 25 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I'll talk about it more after dinner. I don't like Corazon already.


Can you expand on Cora?

Policies are bad, because no one ever follows them and even if you do, it's a fucking policy and there's no discussion.

Hapa you're not this retarded.


What in the fuck...
/wrists

First of all, the "policy" I proposed is not a deviation from common sense. If we ask a person to duel another person, and he refuses to do so, that person is suspicious as fuck and should be considered a lynch candidate.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:55 GMT
#128
Your analogy is stupid.

Here's a better one: what do we get more discussion from?
a) A contest between two people for a lynch.
b) A lynch-mob where we have only one logical lynch option?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 21:57 GMT
#130
Ok this is getting nowhere.

@ Cora
On February 25 2013 05:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I'll talk about it more after dinner. I don't like Corazon already.


If you've ever seen any of my other games, you'll find that no one ever likes me...


Let's not start with the "woe is me" attitude. Why did people not like you in your previous games, and what are you going to do about it this game?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 22:15 GMT
#142
Yamato, I know we're not agreeing over general policy and whatnot, but just promise me that you'll atleast seek the town's input before you go "IT'S TIME TO D-D-D-D-D-DUEL!" Playing hero can end really really badly.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 24 2013 23:57 GMT
#158
Corazon, I get the impression that you're more concerned with calling Sylencia a dick rather than anything else. It's fine if you don't get along with him, but it does nothing for town objectives.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:03 GMT
#248
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:11 GMT
#254
@ Oats
On February 25 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey guys,
Cora is scummy for wanting to lynch rouge players and not actually scum, and in no way linking rouge play to playing like scum.
Marv is also kinda suspicious. He seems too polite and that policy post had pregame written all over it.


Two things about this post:
1) It sounds a lot like you're jumping on Cora by taking his one statement about "rouge players" out of context. He's been pretty vocal about Yamato, and I think it's pretty clear that he links Yamato's behavior to scummy behavior.
2) That Marv read makes no sense. If you actually read his filter, I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that he's been over-polite. Example:

On February 25 2013 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
It's not insanely difficult to enforce. It should be not too hard to find at least the group of people we want to lynch into, and then give a deadline/ultimatum for 2 of them to duel, or if there's 1 clear frontrunner, give a couple of people the choice of whether they want to duel with the frontrunner.

Actually the information you'll get from how people deal with this while under suspicion is probably far greater than any information you'll get from just having one clear townie dueling with someone suspicious. Whether ppl duel like they're asked, or go afk, how the suspects deal with the whole dueling situation - there's a whole mine of good shit there.

Further, I overwhelmingly back my judgement on who mafia are and are not over yours, yamato, so the last thing I need is you running off playing the hero.



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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:22 GMT
#267
On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.

hey you ive been looking at you.

you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff)
you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper

why you not putting anything original in the thread

you scum dog?


I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.

As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:

On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp


he attacked me
means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all.

scum thrawn should no better than to attack me

On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:24 GMT
#271
On February 25 2013 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Am I supposed to respond to that Hapa? Or is that friendly advice?
Show nested quote +
Further, I overwhelmingly back my judgement on who mafia are and are not over yours, yamato, so the last thing I need is you running off playing the hero.

This is polite.

Show nested quote +
Chezinu rarely, if ever, starts coming up with his good reads during the first cycle. And we are electing a mayor in the first cycle. So yes, I am writing him off. Unless you have some hitherto unheard of method of reading Chezinu on day 1 that you would like to share with us?

This is rude.


Yes I expected a response, but I have no idea how you ended up making that distinction above.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:30 GMT
#278
On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.

hey you ive been looking at you.

you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff)
you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper

why you not putting anything original in the thread

you scum dog?


I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.

As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:

On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp


he attacked me
means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all.

scum thrawn should no better than to attack me

On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon.


did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances??????????????

as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid.



How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative?

Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:38 GMT
#287
On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.

hey you ive been looking at you.

you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff)
you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper

why you not putting anything original in the thread

you scum dog?


I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.

As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:

On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp


he attacked me
means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all.

scum thrawn should no better than to attack me

On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon.


did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances??????????????

as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid.



How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative?

Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours.

yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think

i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again.

but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes.


Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now.

Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so.

Y u so scummy iamp?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:41 GMT
#290
On February 25 2013 11:40 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.

hey you ive been looking at you.

you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff)
you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper

why you not putting anything original in the thread

you scum dog?


I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.

As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:

On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp


he attacked me
means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all.

scum thrawn should no better than to attack me

On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon.


did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances??????????????

as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid.



How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative?

Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours.

yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think

i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again.

but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes.


Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now.

Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so.

Y u so scummy iamp?

lol i have to explain why dino first post was scummy to you???

how about you go read it.


Newbie player makes wishy-washy newbie post. Your turn.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 02:50 GMT
#297
On February 25 2013 11:41 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:40 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.

hey you ive been looking at you.

you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff)
you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper

why you not putting anything original in the thread

you scum dog?


I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.

As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:

On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp


he attacked me
means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all.

scum thrawn should no better than to attack me

On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon.


did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances??????????????

as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid.



How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative?

Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours.

yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think

i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again.

but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes.


Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now.

Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so.

Y u so scummy iamp?

lol i have to explain why dino first post was scummy to you???

how about you go read it.


Newbie player makes wishy-washy newbie post. Your turn.

dino was so easy to read in chrono

checkmate


Was typing something, but Acro said it better than I could. What Acro said.

Also, what about Snarfs? In fact, I got the opposite impression from his post. It seemed genuine and excited.
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