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Reading the forum for a while has made me realize that ChoJJa just hasn't been getting the attention that I think he really should've deserved. When talking about current shapes and skill levels, I honestly cannot name any zerg that's more dominating than ChoJJa. When reading posts about best zergs, the names I consistently see time and time again are July, Gorush, and Savior. A name that I rarely see mentioned, however, is the one I happen to think is the most dominating one of them all.
I just want to know why ChoJJa hasn't really been as hot on this forum as the other 3 top zergs has been. Before we go on further lets just shout out some random facts about the current shape of Chojja:
2 MSL's ago, ChoJJa placed top 3.
One MSL later, ChoJJa won the entire league.
Top seed in the current MSL.
In this previous MSL, ChoJJa had a perfect 100% winning percentage. (i.e., never knocked down to losers brackets)
In this current MSL, ChoJJa has a perfect 100% winning percentage.
Qualified to current OSL. One of the few players who have managed to qualify for both the current seasons of OSL as well as MSL. Undefeated in ODL1.
In this current OSL, ChoJJa has a perfect 100% winning percentage.
One out of the only 3 players to have not only qualified for both OSL and MSL, but to also have a 100% winning record in both leagues (the only other two to do this are Boxer and Nal_rA).
In this current Proleague season, ChoJja has a perfect 100% winning percentage.
Chojja is the only single player in the world who holds a 100% winning percentage in all 3 of the big leagues in their current seasons: OSL, MSL, and Proleague (has this feat ever even been accomplished before?).
And he's gone through many tough opponents to do it. No lucky brackets. For example, I think July had it easy placing top 2 in the previous OSL season when getting all Protoss opponents after getting out of group, considering that the maps used for that season were bad for PvZ. I think there's a number of zergs who could have done just the same as July had if they were in his position (getting all zvp series, on bad pvz maps). ChoJJa never had it so easy in his brackets. He went through Xellos 2-0 in the last MSL season. He even went through Boxer 2-0 on his way to MSL top 3 two seasons ago. Watch his zvt vs Oov on oov's own best map that's just happened this OSL for another example.
So how does ChoJJa match up against the other big 3 zergs? Gorush has been slumping for the longest time (he has fallen totally off the top 30 in Kespa as of May), and people have always idolized him. Savior dominated MSL but never did anything impressive in OSL. As a matter of fact, he never qualified for it. July has done well in OSL but his MSL presence is severely lacking. ChoJJa is the only zerg that's been dominant in everything he participated in during the last 6 or so months.
He has always been known for his ZvP, but recently has shown that he's good at just about everything. His ZvZ is hands down more dominant than anybody else in the world, with recent zvz wins over July, JJu, Savior, Savior again, Child, Yellow, Gorush 3 different times, Yellow[Name], Mumyung, saint, plus others. I don't think any zergs have a winning record vs Chojja within recent times. His zvt has been impressive, with 3-0 performance over Xellos, 2-0 Boxer, beating oov on his own best map, etc.
I have always been baffled why Chojja isn't as notable as July, Gorush, and Savior on the TL forum. In current shapes, I'd like to see how you rate, ChoJJa in his overall abilities vs July, Gorush, and Savior.
My opinion:
ChoJJa > July > Savior > Gorush
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not to mention he is the mannerest progamer ever, always shaking his hand after the game is finished =)
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
ChoJJa's zvz is unmatched atm
but i still rate Saviors zvt higher than chojja's, although he too has had some amazing results
july is the monster in zvp and ipx's is... not as good as his zvt.. and im not sure about chojja
id agree with chojja = best zerg atm
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chojja seems to be the best zerg theses days, and in the past , has always been good, he was a long time the 2nd Z after yellow... Chojja is a monster in every mu, maybe invincible in ZvsZ :p
hope he will do great in this osl / msl
someone has the kespa rank of may ?
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Yes he is largely underestimated, even I did until he beat oov/you started posting about it.
Why is he? lets see: Chojja is Chojja he's not everybodys favourite "magician" or "god of war" I don't recall anything really spectaular from him. And since I started following progaming he's only won MSL, I believe. July wins alot, GoRush has tons of great games, (medic wall vs nada, zvp on forte vs rA etc) Savior beat oov 7-0 with a interesting new style.
ChoJJa is the cowboy style zvt, but I don't notice it too much, he's not paticulary interesting as it were, and although I respect his zvz as best in the planet, I don't see him do anything interesting zvt/zvp.
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Its personal taste. Chojja isnt as fun to watch as July, Savior, or Gorush. Dont't get me wrong. He is a good player. Nice macro cowboy style zerg. And he is a master of 1 base zerg and hes cute with his short size but i feel he lacks flair because he never had a invincible period like the above zergs.
edit. alot of people jump on the bandwagons when ever a player is hot and chojja has never been #1 on kespa or won a major tournament besides his msl win recently. SOon i bet people are gonna make a chojja bandwagon.
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Well you can't really say anything about him hoding "a 100% winning percentage in all 3 of the big leagues", since he played what, 2 OSL games, 1 MSL game and 1 proleague game and 3 out of 4 were ZvZ, where everyone agrees that he's the world number 1 right now.
I'd say he's not as "famous" as July/Gorush/Savior because of a few reasons:
- ZvT (which is the most interesting, difficult and impressive Z matchup) has never been his best, nor has he been very impressive in it. It seems like he's improved a lot though, and with the extra confidence he gained by winning the MSL he's starting to do better and better at it ;
- he's never gone anywhere in OSL since his 2nd place finish in Panasonic, and we all know people performing well in OSL somehow gain more fame and fans ;
- he probably lacks a bit of charisma.
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I'd put July under savior tbh. July is fucking overrated.
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pop, whats is your nickname on battle.net ? I'm from france, and never see you in our community
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Sweden33719 Posts
Cool thread, again 
One thing tho - his 100% in all leagues.. How about we wait until proleague has been going for longer than one round?:D
When did chojja beat xellos 3-0 (I managed to miss this, well, except for references to it)?
Very strong performance obviousy, but has he really been tested in a bo5 vs a top terran?
Gorush, july and savior have all beaten a top terran in a bo5 on the way/in the finals of their victory.
IE, July beat oov 3-2 in the semis of his first victory, and 3-1:ed xellos on the way to another of his finals.. and not sure if you want to consider goodfriend a top terran.
Gorush 4-2:ed nada, savior 3-0ed oov. But I suppose you could argue that chojja's 3-0 victory over xellos is equally worthy (although I feel xellos is a bit too slumpy these days).
As for why he's so underrated, I think most people just remember how he used to be - always falling just short vs terrans (2-3 and 0-3 vs nada in two finals and wel, losing a lot in general for a while).
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On May 01 2006 04:56 FrozenArbiter wrote:
When did chojja beat xellos 3-0 (I managed to miss this, well, except for references to it)?
Very strong performance obviousy, but has he really been tested in a bo5 vs a top terran?
He won 2-0 in a recent MSL, and 1-0 in some Dual Tournament, iirc (although I think Xellos won one game in-between, the one where he stayed several minutes with his firebat/marines in Chojja's main)
Xellos has been sucking for a while (esp TvZ-wise), but it was still a very nice (and surprising) performance from Cho.
myst[a]: I mostly play on LAN (can't get used to the lag), so I'm not often around on BN. -.-
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ChOJJa is imo the best zerg, i support him since 2000 and i really hope he will win the OSL and MSL this year 
Dont forget 4th May 7pm KOR time: Slayer`s_BoXer vs ChOJJa @ 815
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Overall in terms of achievement and consistency, July is head and shoulder above all Zerg users.
If you compare the level of play every player displayed at their peak, I personally rank Gorush during the KT-KTF final/YATGK MSL as having displayed THE most impressive Zerg-play yet. No Zerg user can boast to have beaten an in form Nada in a Bo5, let alone a Bo7.
and Yellow will always be Yellow, the godfather of what has evolved to be zerg now.
Chojja I'd say stands out as an all-rounder, that is ironically he's never been truly outstanding in any aspects. He's had his moments of invincibility and severe slumps and he's been around long enough, having introduced new innovative forms of play. Unfortunately for him what people would always remember would be his falterings at the brink of success, most noteably when Nada destroyed him 3-0 in Panasonic. Having said that, right now he's back on form, his play seems to have improved immensely, especially his sense of timing and management in ZvT. What impressed me most about the win against oov was that he won because he played well, rather than oov messing up. (imo most of savior's wins vs Oov were due to oov's complacency and rash decisions)
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ChoJJa dominating OSL/MSL currently ? Im willing to discuss this when ChoJJa has reached semis in both OSL and MSL. Thats dominating! Way too little games played this far in the season.
I consider him top 3 alongside July and Savior atm, though he isnt close to July accomplishment-wise. He might be in the best shape of these players right now, but that doesnt make him the best player.
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And boxer is the best Terran ever
Gogo the same topic about boxer ^^
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And myst[a] is the best french player.
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Uh, well... think of it this way. If it was Oov vs. Chojja in the last MSL semis, he probably would've lost, at least surely wouldn't have done as well as IPX. Then it'd be IPX and Oov in the finals. Chojja still the best?
Yeah, Chojja beat Oov on RH3, but he lost on the same map during the last proleague finals, not long ago.
I'm not saying Chojja isn't a great Zerg player, but best? He may prove doubters like me wrong
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