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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 12 2013 21:00 GMT
#34
/in

Sadly I cannot eat anything that is listed in the op for another few days at least
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 06:52 GMT
#311
oh man I feel the cheesecake up in here.

I will be doing the readings in a second.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 07:03 GMT
#312
super, agree/disagree:

three of four

Hopeless
Xatalos
Zentor
Promethelax
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#350
Alright, let's kill kush.

##vote kushm4sta

Beyond what has been said by other people about kush, note one important thing; he's been called scummy a hell of a lot but no one has actually put a vote on him. I don't recall anyone finding anything that really points in his favor either, and as I couldn't find anything on that front myself, I think that makes him a great lynch today.

In addition, there are very many reasons to call him scum, and different players have said different things. Indeed, what I noticed was different from all of them, in fact. If you would like to see for yourself, filter kush and go back into his posts. Note the number of times he comments on his own appearance. Note how he asks someone how his entrance into the thread was scummy. Note how he actually bothers to explain himself for even the tiniest accusations; things in previous games I would have expected him to either ignore or indignantly call someone stupid over.

Lastly, note how he never follows up on his reads, pushes his reads, or gives the impression that he is trying to strengthen or rationalize his reads. He certainly doesn't seem to care who scum are.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#353
You sheep a lot and throw your vote a lot? Tht's funny.

You haven't voted, you're clearly actively lurking, and you certainly haven't bothered to try to comment on any of the numerous accusations that have been put forth in the thread already.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#355
I don't understand how scum are excluded from making shitty posts.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 19:04 GMT
#359
Super I'd like to hear what you think of Kush and Zentor both please, as soon as you see this.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 19:15 GMT
#365
Why are people always so obsessed with OMGUS?

Can anyone tell me the last time they caught a scum through calling them out on OMGUS? How is it at all alignment indicative?

In fact I would argue that I've seen a lot more townies than scum accuse their accuser.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 19:23 GMT
#369
Cool story bro, you called my case weak without even showing how it is. I have no reason to even bother replying to you any further until you learn to read.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 19:28 GMT
#371
Your inability to read makes me scum? Good one, genius.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 19:36 GMT
#375
Why is sloosh a better lynch than kush?

Slosh hasn't been around much but he's one of the few players who put effort into pushing a scumread.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 19:56 GMT
#382
Two things.


On January 13 2013 15:28 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding Xatalos

His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ.

I think the post you are thinking of is directed at kush (based on the next post in his filter).


Do you think a scum sloosh would bother to point this out/have this conversation?

About kush: do you notice what I noticed between these two posts?

On January 13 2013 14:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:59 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:25 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.

On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.

He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.

But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)

So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.



Those two townie lynches were definitely Hapa's fault....

Hapa didnt even vote in the first one T_T

Need i quote

"HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM"


Yamato, the scum, was going to hammer him, regardless of whether I encouraged him or not.




Actually, Xatalos, I think Occam's Razor says he's town.

It doesn't make sense for scum to act like that; it's most probable that he's town.

That's the simplest solution, Occam's Razor.

What do you think of that?


second person you defended without cause to.
back on my scum list. ATM i woudl lynch.


On January 14 2013 03:53 kushm4sta wrote:
wbg that sounds like d1 of every town game i play.
i sheep a lot and throw my vote around a lot.

I need to reread or look at filters before I can have anything useful to say honestly.



wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 20:20 GMT
#385
On January 14 2013 05:04 MrZentor wrote:
As town he throws his vote around a lot, but this game he hasn't?

Is that it?

Not very convincing..


Nope. Try again.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 21:17 GMT
#393
##unvote

That's annoying. I'll be back in a few hours.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 22:27 GMT
#408
On January 14 2013 06:59 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 23:36 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.


I've specifically stated several times that I don't have a town read based on how much he posts; my town read on him is based on the aggressiveness of his posts and the motives behind them. I've even gone into detail more than once on my read on him. Please read more carefully.

On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O

@ MrZ

I don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement.

@ Supersoft

Have you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him.

Also, please reply to my previous post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=6#119

Regarding Xatalos

His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ.

That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced:
On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless

##unvote

Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.

A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.


What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless?

Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction?


I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.


I actually have a null read one Kush. I was simply pointing out Xatalos's terrible logic and misuse of Occam's Razor.

On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.

Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.

For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.

Super, are you town?

Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?

Jay, what's your read of zentor?

Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.


I've already been mildly helpful, so I don't know why you would ask that question, unless you hadn't really read the thread and just wanted to make it look like you were doing something.


Well Zentor, I don't disagree that you have been helpful but I remember you saying at the end of British (which I only followed somewhat peripherally) that you didn't want to have to play like a good townie who contributes ever again. I was trying to get some confirmation that this was not true and that you were indeed going to do your best to play a good game instead of trolling.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:46 supersoft wrote:
we're like 20 hours into the game and am no magician. Thrawn said it all about sloosh in the thread.
I think this no more evidence against anyone else. Sloosh is the scummiest, his Xatolos-case is weak and doesnt convince me at all.
His attempt to connect me to xatulos is really bad and calling my reads and my actions bullshit obviously shows, that he has a really strange mindset if he's town.



SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
attention thread, do not be dissuaded by wbg's attempts to avoid scumhunting by means of derailing the conversation by being an asshole. he's scum.


Attention Thrawn. Bugs is actually an asshole. I don't think he is scum based on his play yet and I don't plan on voting him today.

Bugs, please answer my question. Was your four person list something you, yourself, believe or believed?

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
thrawn's current lynch list = sloosh/hopeless/prom


What has Supersoft done to get off that list? His play thus far has been incredibly anti-town. He posted a huge list full of nothing (seriously has reads based on if people will call themselves town) and is trying to get vets lynched day one. Something he said he would never do as town. Along with that Super has gotten ultra defensive when Sloosh called his posting bullshit and he has continued to fling shit around the thread. I find SS scummiest and plan on voting him today. In fact ##Vote: Supersoft


My four person thing was just my first impression upon reading the thread. All four of those names seemed to be playing differently to what I expected (some of them still are)


wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 22:33 GMT
#411
I'm willing to give super a day or so to prove he's town, I'm just wary of lynching him today. Nothing he has done so far is particularly bothering me.

As for kush, I don't feel comfortable lynching someone who was just replaced. It's unfortunate if he actually was scum, but I think the replacement should get some time to establish himself as well.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 22:39 GMT
#416
He wasn't on my list because he didn't stand out to me on my first read, only on subsequent reads.

I need to do more rereading since I really wanted to kill kush today. Tentatively I'd put Hopeless and Xatalos up there, followed by Zentor.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 22:48 GMT
#419
kush was actively lurking, look at the timestamps.

Basically he did nothing between when he posted that first post until I called him out. He apparently had a scumread on you; he could have tried to explain it, vote you, get more information, do whatever, but he simply afked.

He was clearly watching and reading the thread, because as soon as I made that accusation and votepost he delurked and made a defense of himself.

Also notable is the fact that he said he was going to reread filters and whatnot but came back 8 minutes with absolutely nothing new; just a revote on you. It didn't even seem like he reread anything at all.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2013 22:52 GMT
#421
On January 14 2013 07:36 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm willing to give super a day or so to prove he's town, I'm just wary of lynching him today. Nothing he has done so far is particularly bothering me.

As for kush, I don't feel comfortable lynching someone who was just replaced. It's unfortunate if he actually was scum, but I think the replacement should get some time to establish himself as well.


We do it like that:

I will leave defending me completely to you wbg.

if he fails to defend me and I die, you better lynch him tomorrow.


Nah you can defend yourself. I have better things to do than waste my time defending someone who is capable of defending himself.

I have no interest in lynching you right now but that doesn't mean I necessarily think you are very townie. No one so far in this game has been worth defending.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2013 01:55 GMT
#461
I think xatalos is a fine lynch for today, but I need to read up on his past games to make sure that he is the best lynch.

I don't agree with lynching super, so whoever is on him should probably consider moving their votes. On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive.

Ruuch: play the game or I'll stop giving you the newbie free card.

##vote Xatalos

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