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kitaman27
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On November 19 2012 10:24 Promethelax wrote: edit: Before we start I'd like to say that I am trying to develop a new meta, my old one (easily witness-able in the recently completed ACME) takes too much time which I just don't have in my life right now. I'll do my best to play well though. My usual pre-game warning: I work overnights on the weekends, I won't be here for long stretches of the weekend due to that. I'd also like to announce that I plan to disappear for extended periods of time (assuming I role mafia)  | ||
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The success of these missions appear to carry significant weight and it's something I'd want direct control over. A successful day one will make each of the following days that much easier. I think these mechanics play to my strengths, which is identifying pro-town players early on. I promise to be active and open and not disappear once elected *shakes fist at wiggles* As acro says, this game could turn out really similar to resistance. I rolled scum in the last resistance game so you have something to compare my play to. A successful day one can snowball the game and force the mafia team to make a play later on. Due to the way the events work, its even more important than normal to establish yourself as pro-town early on. If you are town and lurk, you're likely not going to be selected, directly impacting our chances of success. Keep in mind posting a lot doesn't translate to being pro-town. Since I prefer to know who we are dealing with, I'm going to be a jerk and ask the smurfs to claim their identity (that's what you get for not hiding it well!). You have an advantage by hiding your posting tendencies. Nothing to hide, right? Acro, your plan to announce who you would bring along without seeing their posts first is silly. We gain nothing from bringing along vets in our party. We are looking for players that are clearly pro-town. Plus in 30+ games I've never won a mayoral election. Give me the pity vote! <3 | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:00 marvellosity wrote: My posting is clearly pro-town already and so you won't be getting my vote, kita. My bad, I should have clarified that your posting needs to be pro-town AND you actually have a town alignment :p On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote: I see Acro has sniped me in terms of the idea of any potential leader posting their core group. Has anyone played in a similar set-up before? Or does anyone have the link to Resistance? I haven't read it. Resistance 1 Resistance 2 On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote: I'm curious if putting one player who seems like a liability (one of the guys known for trolling or one of the smurfs) onto the team so that we can get a read on them from their actions makes sense? It seems like we won't have lynches but knowing who scum is/is not will help town players direct any and all actions which they have and i assume making sure that non-town players not being on the quest team will be a good thing for us as the OP specifies that they can make it more difficult to achieve our objectives. Putting three town players and one liability potentially results in a passed mission, give them a false reading. If we're going to use the event mechanic for scum hunting it would make more sense to throw 4 anti-town players at it. Although I disagree with this and think we should go for a town team every time until we know the consequences. On November 21 2012 11:03 Acrofales wrote: How do you know you don't gain anything from bringing vets. It's greymist and I am expecting minigames, unconfirmed masons and other shenanigans. Having a player like kush or adam there is NOT a good idea, even if they are town. I know that the vets can be the hardest players to read and bringing them along over a different player that is showing good intentions shouldn't be a priority for some hypothetical situation. That's not to say a vet shouldn't be selected if they are clearly town. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:12 marvellosity wrote: Probably some mix of town reads and probable utility (if someone is clever, derp) is the right way of choosing teams. Like if someone is clearly town but an idiot then I wouldn't invite them into my hypothetical party. I disagree, I think someone being clearly town should take priority over everything else, even if they aren't the most reliable of players. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote: So you want to form a party of people you and three "obviously town but inexperienced" players you are free to manipulate? Thanks but no thanks. I don't see any problem with selecting inexperienced players if they are obviously town. It's the town you would have to manipulate. As far as I can tell, there isn't any indication the events would involve player interaction. | ||
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We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote: You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire. Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion. | ||
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I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision? Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. | ||
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On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible Quite the resolve on that campaign. Lazy syllo says to me scum syllo. You trust your ability to determine sandro's alignment in 48 hours over your ability to identify 3 town players out of the remaining 23? If you were serious of being elected, why wouldn't you simply include him in your party, while remaining a leader? | ||
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On November 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote: Kita is practically ruling himself out of the running by having such long stretches without posting. As he notes himself it's similar to a mayoral election and you need your mayor being around and interacting with town, which he is failing to do. THEY'RE BRINGING OUT THE ATTACK ADDS! I WISH IT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO THIS BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE (AND MY FLAMES BURN BLACK) The reason I have been absent is because I have been at work all day like a hard working leader should be. Thankfully I have the next two days off! However, do you know who aren't very thankful? Marv, syllo, and sandroba! ![[image loading]](http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/17971151/2/stock-illustration-17971151-thanksgiving-day-in-america.jpg) I am deeply saddened to report to you all that these three individuals are suspected of not planning to celebrate Thanksgiving tomorrow! There are even rumors that syllo is a VEGETARIAN who enjoys spending the day watching SOCCER! Do you really want to elect a terrorist as your leader? Vote for a true leader. Vote Kita! Paid for by the Kavdragon Sucks Party More to come. Stay tuned! | ||
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On November 22 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote: @kita sup. Any reason why you don't like me as a candidate? It's fair to assume that given your inactivity you being elected is a long shot like it or not. Isn't it time you read the thread a throw your support behind someone you think is town and has a shot? I haven't been inactive and acquiring 4-5 votes to take the lead is hardly a long shot. I've hardly been inactive, my posts are just less spread out. Don't infer that I haven't read the thread because that's untrue. I've been working on several posts the past hour or two. As for my opinion of you, I haven't reread your filter yet. From what I recall, your posts have been logical and reasonable, but that hardly means you must be town. On November 22 2012 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sandro Hm ok, I'll look through some of syllo's stuff and see if I agree. Also, thoughts on my thoughts on Toad? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=52#1024 @ Kita As much as I enjoy flag-waving turkey's, running a joke campaign doesn't help town here. Do you actually believe Sandro/Syllo/etc aren't good candidates? Hardly a joke campaign. Hours into the game I provided my initial thoughts, I have been at work all day, and now I have returned to elaborate on my reads after having some posts to go by. I shouldn't be punished based on my schedule. Why have I been eliminated after not having a chance to share my thoughts? I believe I'm a superior candidate to sandroba and syllo. If you remember correctly, sandroba's platform was simply a rehashed version of my proposal that players be selected by their towniness beyond all other factors. Still working on a post of reads. | ||
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I'm working on a more concrete post about town reads, but I'm also hoping to put up my 4k post blog tonight so I'm not sure on a time table. Hopefully before I get to bed. iamperfection: His spammy one liners annoy me. I think his post in support of syllo made it look like he decided to vote for syllo and then look for a reason to justify it, rather than the other way around. marv: On November 21 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote: I'm not interested at running for party leader atm. And it's not about gauging support, I'd probably just tell town to vote for me from the get go if I wanted it. Why don't I want it? Like syllo I've been hoping to be somewhat 'lazy'. While I will give this game my full attention like any other, partly I've come along for the ride. I don't want to dominate this game (for better or worse) like I'm capable of doing. Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet. There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game. I found this reply quite lackluster. You don't want to run for leader because you're insecure? Do you value helping out the town or not making yourself look bad more? You refer to players you hold in extreme regard, which clearly can only point to myself, yet you have been against my election from the start. Additionally, how does this being a themed game impact your ability to identify townies? This seems like quite a cop out. risk.nuke Besides the fact that he is probably scum, this jerk taunted me by pretending to be interested in hosting a newbie game and then proceeded to ignore my pms. What a scumbag move. strongandbig His opinions have been pretty vanilla thus far. I don't think his contributions have earned him a spot yet. kushm4sta I'm always weary of an erratic player that is behaving himself. | ||
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From a game design perspective, the mafia team has to have certain tools that sabotage our events in order to remain balanced. Without any outside intervention, assume the town comes up with a successful group of players. There appears to be no restriction about selecting the same players, meaning the mafia team has to have some way to combat selecting the same people every time. Even if they can only eliminate a couple of the players through night hits, they are still playing from a disadvantage. I think this is something we should keep in mind going forward. On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote: I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier. While reading through the filters, I came across this post. What struck me as strange was that Keirathi insists he has a low success modifier. On what basis is he making this assumption? From my point of view, I would have no idea whether 3 was a low value or the highest value in the game. Only if I had the ability to compare my modifier with other players could I come to this conclusion. Finally, the Frog role claim may be the most important event that has taken place this game. There needs to be more discussion about it. I'll post my thoughts later tonight. | ||
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On November 22 2012 11:43 Keirathi wrote: I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier. While reading through the filters, I came across this post. What struck me as strange was that Keirathi insists he has a low success modifier. On what basis is he making this assumption? From my point of view, I would have no idea whether 3 was a low value or the highest value in the game. Only if I had the ability to compare my modifier with other players could I come to this conclusion. [/QUOTE] I think you misunderstood what I was saying. iamperfection asked me if I knew my specific success modifier, and I said "well, I don't know that my success modifier is 3, but I do know that its low". It was worded poorly, but I was trying to say that I don't know specifically what my success modifier number is, only that its low.[/QUOTE] Yes it appears you are correct. Apologies. | ||
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It had something to do with sandroba and how if everyone is so sure of his scum meta, why couldn't he simply act differently. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the statement, I just need to find who posted it. Thanks. | ||
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Myself - You guys still have more than two options for leader  Acrofales - Acro has been quite opinionated and appears to care about the outcome of the event. I like that he tries to open the game with a plan (even if his choices were premature) and he is attempting to direct discussion. Dienosore - I'd take a Frog over a Toad by my side any day. Ignoring the first few trollish posts, I find his posts sincere. Something that caught my attention was your instance that you be the party leader, which leads me to worry that your insistence to be elected may be role related. Would you be content as a member of the party, rather than the leader? Promethelax - Maybe the weakest preference of the four, but I'm usually pretty trusting of a player that is trying to come up with a way to use the setup to benefit the town. Even though I disagree with the idea, I like the effort. Of his remaining posts, nothing has jumped out to me as something to worry about. On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote: I'm curious if putting one player who seems like a liability (one of the guys known for trolling or one of the smurfs) onto the team so that we can get a read on them from their actions makes sense? It seems like we won't have lynches but knowing who scum is/is not will help town players direct any and all actions which they have and i assume making sure that non-town players not being on the quest team will be a good thing for us as the OP specifies that they can make it more difficult to achieve our objectives. Of course these four selections are subject to change as the game goes on. Do I really not have any votes?  | ||
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