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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#25
/in
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 12 2012 03:00 GMT
#42
On November 12 2012 11:44 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 11:43 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 12 2012 11:36 Keirathi wrote:
On November 12 2012 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
/in

Have you played before?

If not, I highly recommend you play in a Newbie game first, to get a feel for the flow of the game, and the time demand that it requires.


I don't think there are any newbie games up atm =/

I know, but there should be one soon.


I've lurked the forums awhile but no I have not played one before. I have the time so I would feel comfortable. But your game, your rules - just let me know.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 12 2012 03:33 GMT
#46
I'm voting everyone who makes puns off the island. amiplayingthisright?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 12 2012 10:41 GMT
#66
On Monday and Tuesday I have class for about 3 hours each night and it runs into lynch time, but aside from that I don't have much going on. Hopefully there are no crazy last minute shenanigans -_-.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#109
I am off to school for a couple hours so I will miss the very start it seems. I am not lurking, just away for a bit!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 13 2012 02:11 GMT
#317
Just got back from school, it let out a bit early. Had a bit of catching up to do in the thread but not too much has happened yet. I would like to ask Hapa a question though, I think it is only fair since you wanted to know more about me!
Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 13 2012 02:47 GMT
#356
On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think.


Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum.

From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game.


you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum.


Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking.


The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 13 2012 06:53 GMT
#370
I guess I will try to post more since everyone is saying I should, up till now I have just been reading and taking everything in on my own ;o. As for the snb question directed at me I don't feel suspicious at all and agree that some people have been all to eager to jump on the bandwagon. I view his post as him joking around and it seems people are making a big deal out of an off the cuff comment ;/. I don't think your criticism of my first post is fair thrawn cause I felt that up until that point not much was going on (I felt that the random votes people were throwing were complete jokes ;/, or at least seemed to be), but I was glad when a page or so after some serious discussion started.
So some of my own thoughts.
The snb stuff is silly, I see no reason to vote for him at the moment. With this I think the bandwagon is unwarranted and will be keeping an eye on those who just jumped on without saying anything.
I also asked Hapa that question because I felt his posts were scummy. I felt they bogged down the discussion (talking about rules, casting doubt, etc) instead of promoting it and am trying to work out what I think about his response to it that he will just let his posts speak for themselves.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 13 2012 07:52 GMT
#386
Here is why I have doubts about Hapa.
Hapa starts off by being the first one to cast a "pointless vote" at the start of the day.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote:
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On November 13 2012 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
I don't think anyone will be against millers claiming and a lurker lynch policy. If they are they should speak up. Otherwise we really don't need to mention it again.


Oh hum I need something more controversial then.

Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned!

##Vote DarthPunk


I see that several people did this and were joking but I don't like it much and Hapa is the first to do it, which is even more interesting because soon after he states that the random vote gambit is far overused ;/ :
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:
@iamp

The "random vote" gambit has been far overused. I'm not a fan.

I'd comment on your post, but I'm not even sure what you're talking about there.


He then unvotes DP just to revote him:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:01 strongandbig wrote:
if zb was scum he would have made a much longer post

##vote: hapahauli

im down with that iamperfection thinkamajig


So retarded.
##Vote: Strongandbig


You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy?

The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII).

##Vote DarthPunk

('fo real this time)

Which he unvotes again -_-

And there is the whole SnB bandwagon that he jumps on:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:50 debears wrote:
Does S&B normally act like this?

Just curious :D

Feel free to answer that S&B


Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms:

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:48 strongandbig wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello, sirs.
First of all I´d like to claim miller.
There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game.

I am fakeclaiming as mafia.
I am in fact a miller.

My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment.
The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red.

That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet.

Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out


HI ZB <3.

Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out.

GG scummers


But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O




Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3


Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think.+ Show Spoiler +
*Bowzer laugh*+ Show Spoiler +
jk I'm town


On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.


Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away.

Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise.

its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so.


It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action.


Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler.

Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler


this is stupid


He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here.

## Vote StrongandBig

At least he stays away from voting based on the VT claim post but he starts out by inferring that if SnB were scum he would be posting differently and then votes him anyways based on the "this is stupid" comment (which to be fair to SnB I agree with him, the whole point about putting your role in a spoiler is silly).
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 13 2012 08:02 GMT
#389
I would like to jump in a bit more on the SnB ordeal. I think the claim in itself is baseless because as I said earlier (and SnB hinted at too in hist post) - the "VT claim" was an off the cuff joke post and was hardly him claiming to be town. But SnB really needs to defend himself better against these votes because right now his nonchalant attitude is doing him no favors and is letting this bandwagon go on for far too long.

So @SnB:
I think you need to defend your post a bit better and try to put this bandwagon to rest. Answer the questions people have put forth and explain yourself clearly so we can move on.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 13 2012 15:41 GMT
#451
@debears

I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive.

Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not.

ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote.

With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 02:47 GMT
#770
Wowzers that was a lot to catch up on, I really tried to post before heading off to school but there was way too much to read and process. I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk. I still don't like his posting before or after the claim and think that the claim did no one other than himself any good. I would love to flip him just to see, because the way I see it, at worst he is scum trying to save himself (but as stated before that would be REALLY reckless) and at best he is now deadweight.

For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else.

I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why.

##Vote: Hapahauli

and @Hapa
No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 02:52 GMT
#774
@ Blazinghead
That was basically my point: At worst you are scum and trying to save yourself, at best you are jailkeeper and won't get to make use of it.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 02:53 GMT
#776
ebwop
blazinghand**********
head??? lol
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 03:07 GMT
#791
Blazing is right, I clearly stated on page 22 that I am sleeping now and will attempt to post before heading to school later. I wake up and there are 10+ pages to read and I did not have the time to read all that and form a proper post in ~30 minutes (you constantly saying that I post something and then peace-out is a bit annoying because every time I go to class or sleep I have explicitly stated that I was doing so). And to your second question yes I do view that as you and bh working together, that is why I said I would have auto voted you if BH flipped red otherwise would have had to really reevaluate. And I did not say I believe his JK claim???? I said it was a horrible claim and makes him "deadweight" now (3rd time saying this now...).
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 03:16 GMT
#793
On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
i'm starting to ponder debears also


Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter.

Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter.
He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game.
He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case.

But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread.

At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is.

##Unvote
##Vote debears

This is your post for voting debears. Your reasoning is fine and I get where you are coming from, I just view his actions differently so far. I think debears has been pressuring people and creating discussion. You fault him for hard pushing his read and creating an "over-kill" case, how is that scummy?

As I said I would like other people input on how they read you and I do intend to further formulate my opinion based on whether others read you as town/scum/null
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 03:19 GMT
#794
I am down for flipping you and BH at this point. I am not really interesting in arguing with you about it - I find the fact that I was down for voting BH and you, then after him claiming jk just voting for you to be perfectly reasonable. Again I want other people to weigh in though.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#800
I already said how I view it - him pressuring and questioning people, I don't feel that he needs to change his vote to the person he is pressuring / trying to get a read on? Would it help? Maybe. Is it a scum tell that he didn't? Not to me.

and I see we are quickly posting back and forth so I will just reiterate on:
On November 14 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 12:07 Kickstart wrote:
Blazing is right, I clearly stated on page 22 that I am sleeping now and will attempt to post before heading to school later. I wake up and there are 10+ pages to read and I did not have the time to read all that and form a proper post in ~30 minutes (you constantly saying that I post something and then peace-out is a bit annoying because every time I go to class or sleep I have explicitly stated that I was doing so). And to your second question yes I do view that as you and bh working together, that is why I said I would have auto voted you if BH flipped red otherwise would have had to really reevaluate. And I did not say I believe his JK claim???? I said it was a horrible claim and makes him "deadweight" now (3rd time saying this now...).


Your logic right now:
"I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk"
"I still don't like his posting before or after the claim "
"I would love to flip him just to see"

...and then you vote me for starting a "bandwagon" on a player.
Yeah ok. That totally makes sense.

Again, I am reading both you and BH as scummy. I was going to vote him and if he flipped red auto vote you, but now that he jk claimed I am just as content to do the opposite - vote you and if you flip red vote him.

And the above should do fine in response to BHs snarky comment. My voting has nothing to do with being a man or not, you are overusing that line. I am keeping my vote on Hapa for now , and if he does get lynched and flips red, I will gladly vote for you immediatly.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#804
On November 14 2012 12:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 12:19 Kickstart wrote:
I am down for flipping you and BH at this point. I am not really interesting in arguing with you about it - I find the fact that I was down for voting BH and you, then after him claiming jk just voting for you to be perfectly reasonable. Again I want other people to weigh in though.


I don't. Your logic is completely disproportionate. You show every indication of wanting BH dead and are very eager about "flipping" him. You don't trust his claim, don't like his posts, don't like anything about him, then magically twist your vote on me because apparently you don't like a "bandwagon" I started. Yet you sympathize with my logic, yet disagree with it by ignoring all of my emphasized points.

It.
Makes.
No.
Sense.

And I"m having a very difficult time figuring out if you're just dense about it or you have a mafia motive for all of this.

You don't, I do - that is ok with me. Having a scum read on both you and BH and voting you over him is not as big of a leap as you are trying to make it sound. And I have not "magically twisted my vote" on you, I have given my view on you from the beginning, and unlike some - have voted once, and not by way of bandwagon.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 03:34 GMT
#805
On November 14 2012 12:33 Blazinghand wrote:
kickstart is bad or scum either way he can ne ignored

This is clutch from someone who cries for pages about marv being mean to him and from someone who blue claims day 1.
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