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Obzy
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I didn't want to in on the last one due to not being sure if I'd have enough time to be active, given that I'm normally only able to read for a couple hours throughout the day. But after the activity shown in the last game... I may have been setting the bar too high for myself. Here's to the game filling up fast >:0 | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 03 2012 00:50 Rad wrote: You're going to wish there was a vig when obzy pulls a roco I'll try to avoid that =l Obsing the previous game was somewhat painful. | ||
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I normally won't be here exactly at lynch assuming it's 5PM PST, I'm at work on weekdays then - most of my reading and responses will be done after work. (Not all, because I'm apparently a horrible employee, but - most. Anything within about 16 hours of the lynch on non-weekends is sorta chancy and depends on schedule.) Lurking does sound sort of bad in this setup, not like it is ever a good thing. Last game, there were a couple of days where Alsn talked to himself in circles (with jogger and scumteam hopping in occasionally) for what felt like an eternity; that probably isn't ideal for trying to come to conclusions? Probably? debears - How is it mafia favored? I was reading a little earlier on the mafiascum wiki [because of how fucking pumped I am for this] and saw that this is sorta similar (if not equal to) C9+2 setup... which was imbalanced I guess compared to C9 which is more like 5v2? Why is it worse to have more townies? >_>;; Am I missing something here? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 03 2012 10:21 debears wrote: @obsy Its mafia favored compared to the last setup. Only 9 players means a quicker game. A quicker game is better foe mafia since they don't have to fake their townieness for so long. Also look at the roles like medic. Medic can't target the same person twice (was it also that he can't target himself? I'm on my phone and i really don't want to check Oh I see. That makes sense, I guess. Thanks~ | ||
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Obzy
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If that makes any sense ._.; | ||
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Obzy
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Upon looking at it that way, your posts and being interested in Alsn's word choice is surprisingly defensive. Given that there wasn't really any way for other players to pop their heads in and comment without semi-defusing the situation saying "it wasn't that big of a deal", why hold onto it? Quite specifically, On November 03 2012 10:35 debears wrote: - why ask something like that? I didn't really think it worth paying any mind to, but you kept going on it.Anyways what's your guys thoughts on alsns post? (And now, just above, you're asking djo why he didn't get involved in your argument - I didn't want to get involved either, it seemed largely purposeless.) jesus i type this post, read for spelling mistakes, reopen a new browser to make sure i'm not missing some sort of new information and fucking blammo like 5 posts | ||
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On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Obsy has been around the thread. What I have found is that he seems to be actively lurking. Notice above post. Asking a pretty much useless question. It's newbie town/scum tell, so it's a null tell Yeah, I've been trying to read and refresh the thread regularly, I think I've been away from it for maybe an hour total since game start. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: He has a few one-liners like the above. Mostly, his posts do not take a strong stance and his opinions seem to be easily swayed. Again newbie town/scum tell. I've typed out a few posts that were a bit longer, but after re-reading, it didn't look like they did anything to advance town interests and the only thing they did was look spammy and unhelpful, so I've mostly been deleting them. I am, as mentioned, not really certain whether or not I'm judging things properly and taking a concrete stance on something that turns out to be stupid feels sort of dumb. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: I don't like this post. At all. Trying to come up with excuses to not be posting. Sure the thread is moving pretty decently (score one for town), but it's nothing huge and pretty easy to follow so far imo. No comment, it does move really fast. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Here he acts confused. He asks questions without answering them himself or even really attempting to answer them himself. I didn't really want to call you out directly. You responded really strongly to Alsn's red font, and it seemed counterproductive - but stifling discussion is a problem; given that you've been the primary generator of discussion. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Who have a tough time contributing early? Usually scum because 1) They are afraid to post and put themselves out there since they are guilty and know so 2) They know the players they are accusing are town and they can't actually find real evidence to use However, I admit this is also a newbie town trait. I don't have a problem with posting, I don't want to post meaninglessly. Writing about things that are actually useful and will help everybody is difficult, because when I look at what I've drafted it looks moronic and doesn't help anybody. Answering being directly called out is a lot easier, since I don't have to cast about for what to say, I just have to explain how I'm playing. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Honestly, this post is just absolutely worthless. It has no actual input. Says nothing about the current happenings of the thread. I wanted the conversation to shift away from talking about Cheese using jokes or not. It was a meaningless thing to discuss. Pointing it out so early and then dwelling on it for so long meant that it isn't a good scumtell for Cheese, while also making him aware of the fact he was doing it (Assuming that it WAS a scumtell, it no longer is). That entire discussion was just a waste of time, so I would say that it makes sense that my post, pointing it out, was equally useless. I definitely have been reading the thread, but haven't done a very good job of blending in. That's not really the point, anyways. You haven't been blending in, because you've been actively advancing the interests of town. I'm not a good enough judge to know if you're doing so genuinely, but you're the most active player currently (IMHO). I haven't read past this post yet, but I'll go ahead and do so now. If I see something, I'll comment. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
@debears Honestly, I thought a lot of the arguments you were forcing were somewhat ridiculous. It's not stuff that I thought was worth commenting on, it just spammed the thread... However. Why would you even bother with that as mafia? Although your playstyle 120% is not mine, I think you have a town slant at the moment, I'll go look through your filter but would be surprised if it changed as a result of that. Rad and Clarity are playing in the same way I am, afai can tell. Slightly lurking but contributing when possible. I think both of them are town as a result, just because it's the way I am playing. (Again, I'll go look, but... if I haven't had something jump out at me in a normal read-through, I don't think filters will help much.) I'm most interested in da0ud and sylver, just because they haven't said anything at all. Not necessarily implying they are scum, just that non-posting is absolutely impossible to read. Ughhhh I'll reread the thread and see if anything stands out. | ||
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Obzy
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"The worst way to play day 1 is with apathy and disinterest and lynch the most outspoken/controversial player, who is never going to be mafia." Yes, he could have read that and tried to act like that intentionally. And I agree that a large number of posts lack purpose, it makes it hard to read the thread. But he's definitely the most active person, voting for him right now feels like a bad choice. =l (Also, not to imply that anybody is playing with apathy or disinterest!) | ||
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@Rad I just finished reading through your filter. It's almost depressing - I really appreciate how you're encouraging - but I haven't seen any cases. MLG is a valid excuse IMHO, tomorrow I would also like to see some reads on players from you. I really want you to be town, but I don't know if there's anything backing up you being town any more than there is ME being town. ^^; I will be sure to take a look regarding dembearz, though - that filter is going to be sort of miserable to read haha :0 | ||
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There really hasn't been enough said. His entire contribution to the thread was a quick jab at debears, talking for 40 minutes past when he said he was going to bed, and leaving. I'll have to wait until tomorrow before I have any idea. @Clarity Is lurking a bit, responding when relevant. Similar to Rad. Similar to myself but better, not like that's difficult :[. Also was watching MLG; hopefully tomorrow he has reads on people, rather than lurking and commenting when relevant to try to move discussion along. Still reading ._.;; | ||
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@Cheese >:l The no newb cards comment seems specifically aimed at me. Not really a fan. I'm not wholly sure why he dropped his argument against debears so quickly - pointing out previous meta, etc, and then it just absolutely falls off the face of the planet. Why? (I disagree with this statement, by the way: Again, another exact mistake I made last game. Feeling the need to tell people that you have been reading the thread. For the second part, he's assuring that we realize that he knows this game is important to him. As town, he wouldn't feel the need to tell us that the game is important. That sounds like the sort of thing I would do. Bringing up the not using newbness as an excuse without calling me out specifically (as the only player who was not participating in the previous game) and then pointing out a scumtell based on inexperience looks like a trap. It may be valid, but combined with the earlier statement, there doesn't really seem to be an answer besides inexperienced town and scum, and you've already indicated that inexperienced town is unacceptable. Why wouldn't you just vote? FoS Mr. Cheese. @Djo Notes: ignores deb/Als argument, policy discussion, mechanics discussion, argument with Cheesecake. If I didn't dislike CC's argument, I'd be a little more doubtful, but... I do dislike it. I think part of the problem for Djo is I have a hard time reading some of his sentences, so it's a little harder to follow his exact train of thought lol. Given that I'm suspicious of CC, I don't have a real problem with Djo at this time. @debears [I seriously clicked your filter and cringed before realizing it's 4 pages, not 40.] (Also, @sylver..) However I may have mentioned FoS vs vote confusion at the top of this post that I wrote like 30 minutes ago, I really don't like the vote on debears at all. If I'm wrong, fucking bummer, but debears is driving conversation. His filter's not easy to read, but the content is useful to Me, at least. I wish I wasn't getting attacked har har, but the activeness in making me respond to stop lurking is a townie move IMHO. If he was mafia, he would've let me continue happily lurking and reading to my heart's content and then blasted me in a day, rather than trying to get me to start contributing early on. For god's sake, it had been less than 6 hours from the start of the game, you hadn't even appeared yet, there were people with only a few words and he writes up a post designed to get me to contribute? That definitely feels townie to me. I don't see how you could come to the opposite conclusion. Some (Maybe even a lot!) of the filter is pretty pointless and could've gone unsaid. The parts that DID go said are, I think, the best in the thread. If he didn't have quality bits in the filter along with the spam I'd think differently but the quality parts look solid. I definitely think he's town at the moment. You haven't interacted with anybody besides Rad and myself, and your first post comes in and blasts debears? @da0ud What the hell dude, get in here and post >_> You can't do worse than me ffs I'm going to take a break now and probably sleep. If anybody has any questions, concerns, claims, or suspicions about me please say something because being called out is good for stopping lurking -_- And when the thread is going fast with a focused discussion it's really hard to jump in. | ||
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Obzy
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Clarity and Rad still look town. db looks town. I'm worried about Sylver. I thought that his logic on voting debears was legitimate, due to the difference between content-filled posts and non-useful posts, but this- was not at all what I was thinking. I was considering the more spammy posts to be some of the shallower arguments, like joke-metas and general aggressiveness. Single, isolated posts that include no legitimate content are not difficult to read through. Perhaps this is nit-picking, but bringing up these posts does not sit well with me, if the intention was to show db's 'empty' filter. He's helping to create a pro-town atmosphere with those posts, and they can't be used for any sort of analysis. I still don't think debears is scummy for bringing me up, @rad. It got me to post, so the method doesn't matter. (Even if pointing out the flaws in the posts makes sense.) I don't know what to think about Djo. He told me it'd be better to focus my attention, but was talking about plurality lynch implying that we should be willing to remain unfocused early on, since a majority isn't required - maybe I'm misinterpreting? CC's post about going after sylver for early vote pressure and then referencing previous games doesn't really make him look that bad though, it looks too blatant. Like, why would he make that mistake as scum <_< it goes directly against the way he had been playing lol. He has some scummy stuff but I wouldn't want to vote him. I'd continue but someone just asked if I wanted to go get lunch so I'm going to do so. Haven't had time to look at Alsn or CC's filters. Sylver looks bad-ish, Rad Clar and debears look good atm imho. Should be back in a few hours, I kinda want to do something today besides sitting reading the thread with a notebook ^_^;; But I'll try to be around, if anybody has anything to ask me please do so; I'll sit down with it when I get back again. | ||
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Obzy
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imo :x Be back later, as mentioned above. | ||
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On November 04 2012 04:06 Alsn wrote: Obsy, I'd like you to revise your statement at the end of your post. Sylver looks "bad"? What does that even mean? Rad, Clar, and debears looks good? Again, what does this mean? Does bad = scum? Or are you just accusing him of making bad arguments? Sorry - Rad, Clar, and debears look town. Sylver looks scummy. I haven't read past this post yet, but if there was confusion due to my wording, that's my own fault. | ||
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