Whose Line Is It Anyway? Mafia!

On October 30 2012 10:24 kushm4sta wrote:


wow this storm is the biggest bullshit ive ever seen. Its severity is a complete fabrication by the 24 hour news cycle for ratings and profit.

On October 30 2012 21:33 strongandbig wrote:
IDK, TL was down all morning so it can't be that fake. I mean, the new york subway and car tunnels flooded, six million people without power, several blocks of houses on fire - sounds pretty serious to me.

I mean, the wind levels might not be the highest ever, and it's sure as hell no Katrina, but a thirteen-foot storm surge hitting the biggest city in the country is no joke.

Plus, TL was down! how can you call that not serious!

On November 01 2012 01:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
zoning of players into their role categories puts you right there with him crossfire:



Anyways, regarding BKE. BroodKing's initial vote was "a joke", but he still had to vote and had to explain it.






Cross, his assertion that pretending to vote is a pet peeve of his is fine, but upon re-reading the thread in context, I get a scummy vibe. Doing things like explaining his mentality AFTER he voted and AFTER people called him out seems like he's trying to keep things from spiraling out of control.
Entering the thread with :

Followed by never acknowledging what the "slip" was and simply pawning it off as a joke is scummy to me. Going to leave my vote on him for now.

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Hmm, BH makes some good points about breaking rules for the sake of posting in a clear and understandable manner. I'd like to think I've done both with this post.

On November 01 2012 21:16 strongandbig wrote:
Frankly, I hope that the next minigame has a stricter punishment or reward. Got to admit this thing where people are just ignoring the rules is disgraceful.

Hmmmmm, it's getting later in the day. It seems like there's some cases to consider.

Just, I'm still looking at BKE, and I don't like what I see. Kay? Like his whole filter is mostly taken up with talking about how much he hates people who vote in the thread and not in the voting thread. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I see this as a lot of smokescreen - it's just way too unimportant to be taking up the large percentage of his filter that it is. Next there's his early-game jump-on vote on Crossfire. On the one hand, we have the meta analysis that Adam did, indicating that this is different from how he's entered games as a townie in the past - this only goes so far, but it is a point worth keeping in mind.

Plus, he kept the vote on Crossfire for quite some time, all the while talking about how important votes in the voting thread are and how they should match up with stances in the main thread - this is the important part of his advice about "not going back on your word" - this seems inconsistent to me, and one thing I've learned in Mafia is that when players ascribe a lot of importance to some piece of advice on how to play the game but then don't follow that advice themselves, it indicates that advice exists to cover up for lack of contribution in other areas.

Question: what contribution has he made other than that stuff about votes and such? Really, nothing except his little "case" on hopeless1der. Sure, hopeless hasn't been a paragon of town-leading shining knighthood, but he's definitely been more involved in the thread than BKE. True, hopeless's original reasoning for voting BKE wasn't great, but he follows up on it in a way that BKE didn't do with his vote on crossfire.

Ultimately, I feel the need to do the following:

##vote: BroodKingEXE

On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote:


Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it.

Part I: Spreading Accusations

All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this:



His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up.

He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind.



Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote.



Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point.

Part II - Doesn't fit the meta

Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case.

Part III - Active Lurker

Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game.

He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses.





He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi

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Other stuff:

Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him.

Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him.

Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking.

When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply.

On November 02 2012 03:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +Starting from Keir's last post , my letter is T
There are now two votes in the voting thread that were not appropriately unvoted. Unless that was intentional, by which I mean scummy. Votes from BKE and Mementoss to be specific.

Why, BKE, are you voting me? X-amine my filter and demonstrate why I'm scummy, or get your shit together. You're definitely not scumhunting in the slightest, just CONTINUOUSLY defending yourself for what stemmed from literally your first post in the game. Zany OMGUS against me doesn't help either as I still think you're scum and would prefer you to do something helpful in the event that you are not.

As for MMT, my read is null, and my 2nd choice to vote right now would be Adam or Keir, not quite sure yet but it doesn't matter. BKE is still number 1, I've read the case against Keir and I agree overall that he looks scummy, but I feel more certain on BKE right now.