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Zealos
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October 29 2012 11:01 GMT
#51
/in I won't be modkilled.
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October 31 2012 11:23 GMT
#69
Awesome, I love dem mini games : D
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October 31 2012 23:26 GMT
#87
Hiya everyone, gonna try to be more active in this game than in the past. First things first, I'll put my name down to agree with the millers claiming idea.
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November 01 2012 00:06 GMT
#95
On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote:
to everyone:

Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).

I don't like the idea of masons claiming at all? o.O
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November 01 2012 00:09 GMT
#97
On November 01 2012 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
release, you are looking scummy. what was kush "deceitful" about? your accusation against him is spin-city

thinking prplhz meant mason when he said miller is what kush did, i even did it to for a while... i don't see how it even comes close to [i[being deceitful
[/i]
I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all.
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November 01 2012 16:41 GMT
#200
Reading over so far, there seems to be confusion about the nature of my third post. I'm not calling him town when I say I doubt a mafia would be so aggressive right off the bat, instead, I am saying I don't find the aggression as a scum tell. I do it myself all too often as town.

That being said, I do think releases later posts have a townie attitude about them. He is saying what he appears to think without hiding anything or pushing a mafia agenda as far as I can tell.

Obviously, with this horrible claim mess from Muso and Acro I am gonna be voting for Muso. I see no reason Acro would counter claim as mafia unless he was desperate for getting a single townie, possibly mason, mislynch.

##Vote: Muso
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November 01 2012 18:29 GMT
#212
I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo.
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November 01 2012 18:42 GMT
#215
On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote:
I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo.

...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy?

No, I just think it's really dumb and not in the spirit of the game.
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November 01 2012 22:21 GMT
#226
On November 02 2012 04:41 drazak wrote:
It's just like breadcrumbing, Zealos. I don't see anything wrong with it and I'm not sure how it's not in the spirit of the game, how else would mason partners confirm eachother?

I disagree strongly, but now isn't the time to discuss I think :p
Other than that I see no reason to change votes atm.
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November 02 2012 08:18 GMT
#277
Haven't got time to post anything long atm but for now:
##Unvote
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November 02 2012 14:10 GMT
#296
On November 02 2012 14:25 Acrofales wrote:
2. However, there is a VERY good alternative: prplhz is scum. I had a marginal scumread on him based on a post before I fake claimed. I particularly didn't like him dishing out town reads in a slapdash fashion. However, the main tell is his initial reaction to the mason claim. A "normal" town reaction was exhibited by most other players saying "one of the two is scum", based on the incredibly low probability of there being 2 mason teams. Instead, prplhz's reaction was "there are 2 mason teams". This smells of a player who has more information available to him, namely, that neither Acro nor Muso are scum, and therefore there MUST be two mason teams, because townies don't lie. Given some time he realized that townies can do statistics and were ignoring his helping hand, so he jumped on the easy bandwagon.

##unvote

Finally read this over properly. I really like this alternative, it makes sense and is logical. I don't wanna vote yet on the chance that he was offering another possibility (As it is /possible/ there are 2 mason teams) but I would like to hear a response.
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November 02 2012 14:12 GMT
#297
Which apparently we can't get, due to a replacement. That's a bummer:/

I guess the best bet for finding if he is scum is trying to work out whether Muso is telling us the truth or not. Muso, what do you make of prplhz/Prom?
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November 02 2012 14:15 GMT
#300
Oh, just so people know, I plan on voting close to the deadline, but as it stands I will be voting Prom.
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November 02 2012 14:21 GMT
#303
On November 02 2012 23:13 kushm4sta wrote:
I.voted for muso for this reason:
time had gone by and no one claimed as his.partner like I expected to happen.


Claim time again lol. but this claim is not fake.
I am anvil vanilla town.
My theory is vts do not have character names.
The only person I think should claim is if you are a vt and you have a character name.

What?!?! Is this for real? You want all vt's to claim??
This is a seriously dodgy post lol.
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November 02 2012 14:23 GMT
#304
On November 02 2012 23:17 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 23:12 Zealos wrote:
Which apparently we can't get, due to a replacement. That's a bummer:/

I guess the best bet for finding if he is scum is trying to work out whether Muso is telling us the truth or not. Muso, what do you make of prplhz/Prom?


I can answer this one. He wanted to lynch prplhz, but wants to give Promethelax some time to chip in:

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 15:19 Muso wrote:
Okay I am beginning to see that Lynch All Liars is the dominant philosophy around here.

I am sure many of you are very good players but there must seemingly be some very bad players around this site too, because how else could it possibly ever be a conceivable strategy for scum to claim mason on D1?

It would make zero sense to anybody, ever.

If you were mason and you knew this, and you knew that I within a 99% chance of certainty was also not a mason, then the conclusion you would draw would be that I was town. If however, the policy is to kill anybody who lies at the expense of all other logic then I get why I would be counter-claimed.

That was my thought process going in to the mason claim. I'm not trying to absolve myself of guilt. But do keep in mind that if Acro is telling the truth and is not a mason, then had he not counter-claimed me on a hunch the situation here would be quite different. If there are masons out there, then I guess they did exactly as I predicted they would??

Anyway, enough of that.

The post Acro is talking about is this one:
On November 02 2012 00:34 prplhz wrote:
Uhhhh before anybody get ahead of themselves, this is C9++ (although with a twist of wherebugsgo), and it's perfectly possible for two mason pairs to exist.


This is quite interesting. This setup is not C9++. However, it is similar enough that prplhz instantly recognizes that it is a modified form of C9++. Implication prplhz is very familiar with C9++. If you're familiar with the setup then you should know that the odds of 2 separate mason teams occurring are astronomically low. In fact in order for it to occur:

>> 5/7 of the random numbers between 1-100 generated by the host must be between 86-95.

Summary: this is very unlikely.

Now combine this with Acro's point on this being prplhz's first reaction and suddenly prplhz's post here looks decidedly odd, and as previously suggested: like somebody who believes there are 2 mason teams because town don't lie, and because neither Muso nor Acro are scum.

Earlier (before Acro's cc) prplhz, made this post:

On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
This Muso situation is kind of bad. A mason claim is only worth anything when we also know the other mason but right now there's no reason for him to claim. The only way it can be useful later is if Muso breadcrumbs who his mason buddy is but right now he's going to be watched closely by scum and his posting style looks like he'll have a hard time hiding this. Technically there aren't any rules about encryption in the OP so he could encrypt something and then give his buddy the key but that's just lame and hopefully wherebugsgo will disallow it.

I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*).

Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today.

And we're past the one-liner stage of the game, consolidate unless you absolutely have to ask someone something right now which you probably don't. Nobody wants a huge game with tons of one-liners because it's simply harder and more annoying to read and that favors scum.


A few things stick out to me:

1. Suddenly going to be too busy to post much. Where I come from, this often precedes a scum going in to lurker mode. Sign ups were only a couple of days ago. I am sure prplhz thought he could be active in the game when he signed up, but in the space of 48 hrs something's changed. One obvious change is he's received his role card :p.

2. ''Has a lot of interesting reads' so to speak, but won't post them for now because of lack of time. I don't know why this happens, but for some reason scum seem to say it all the time. Make him post them upon his return, or hold him to account for the statement.

3. His observation re: encryption suggests to me that it's something that he looked in to himself.

4. Hating on the one-liners. This is a weak point at best, but one-liners honestly don't bother me, but then I'm town and enjoy reading the day chat. Having played scum a lot in the past I do know the feeling, however when the day chat becomes tedious and you only read it because you have to. After all you've got your own secret night chat that is way more interesting, right?

##Vote: prplhz.

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 21:19 Muso wrote:
People getting all fired up here. Let's just keep it chill, guys.

I'm not sure about the whole replacement thing. Host made it pretty clear that he only replaces under exceptional circumstances, which I took to mean people's relatives dying, etc. That would suggest that there was probably a fairly legitimate reason for a number of the points I read as scum tells.

So I'm not sure anymore.

##unvote

Should at least let the new guy say something.


Oh, awesome, cheers for making up for my lazy.
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November 02 2012 14:27 GMT
#306
On November 02 2012 23:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 23:21 Zealos wrote:
On November 02 2012 23:13 kushm4sta wrote:
I.voted for muso for this reason:
time had gone by and no one claimed as his.partner like I expected to happen.


Claim time again lol. but this claim is not fake.
I am anvil vanilla town.
My theory is vts do not have character names.
The only person I think should claim is if you are a vt and you have a character name.

What?!?! Is this for real? You want all vt's to claim??
This is a seriously dodgy post lol.

He's saying he wants 1 vt with a character specific name to claim to test the theory that all vt's have non-specific character names.

Oh yes, silly me. Good, my brains were about to explode.
drazak would you be happy with a Prom lynch?
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November 02 2012 16:28 GMT
#323
I don't like the idea of killing muso much at all anymore. After the backtrack from Acro, and the general posting of muso (which is mainly fine) I don't see much merit in killing him. I don't know a great deal about release, but I haven't seen great reason to kill him either yet. I'd be happy killing Prom or Kush at this point, who is coming out with a lot of rubbish about claiming, then wild accusations that don't make much sense to me.
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November 03 2012 02:25 GMT
#451
Sorry everyone, horrid time for TL to drop. Would have voted Prom, as earlier stated. I wanna look over who voted Muso and why, because for me, he didn't look all too scummy towards the end of the day.
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November 03 2012 16:21 GMT
#482
On November 03 2012 20:05 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 19:59 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 03 2012 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Welp. Muso got himself lynched by fake claiming for no fucking reason then playing dumb and then not playing dumb. All in all he played pretty dumb.

I am super hungover and TL went down Whilst I caught up. But I have a few reads.

Despite prplz looking scummy to many, It is my policy to judge replacement on their actions and not those of their predecessor. And prome has been very pro town IMO. Obviously I am worried as I heard that in his newbie scum game he looked very pro town also.

I am concerned at acro tunnelling prom despite prom looking very townie to me. And the fact that it is based on a few bad posts from prplz irks me.

My biggest scum reads from my cursory glance of the thread are Drazak and release. I plan to go into filters and take a look around presently.

If anyone has any questions for me or would like my perspective on anything feel free to ask. I currently don't have the grasp on this game that I would usually like so some discussion would be rewarding I feel.

OK that's it. Im going do more reading in between LOL games.

That's just wrong. Replacements doesn't get a clean sheet.


So, do I look scummy? Why? Show me where.

That's not the point. The person you replaced in for was scummy as fuck, you don't just start from scratch now you're playing.
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November 03 2012 16:26 GMT
#483
Also, Kush is super super dodgy. He comes up with weird shit in his posts, and is obsessed with the game mechanics instead of actually rooting out scum. This means he can get away without posting proper reads on people, as he can just chose his target based on some assumption about the game setup.
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