EPTMy first time playing on TL, but I've played forum mafia for years off-site.
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Muso
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My first time playing on TL, but I've played forum mafia for years off-site. /in Nice to meet you all! | ||
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Muso
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I will not be modkilled. | ||
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Muso
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Sorry, I took so long to post - I'm not used to reading this many posts. Yeah I am a Mason. | ||
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Muso
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I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S | ||
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Muso
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Muso
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I take full responsibility for this situation. Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault. However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following: 1. this is a suicide play as scum 2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams, Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you. I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla. The point of the gambit should be obvious now. | ||
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Muso
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Reasoning for my claim: 1. Masons are powerful, and frequently underestimated in their value. If I were scum I would perceive them as a serious threat, probably more so than a cop in this setup. In this setup the likelihood of mafia hitting town every night is at least >95% (aka not hitting a SK). Let's pretend it's 100% and let's pretend that nobody gets saved by a Doc. The result is 1 town death every night. As a citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here, it's my job to throw myself in the way of the mafia and convince them to use their kill on me because it buys the town power roles time. 2. The wealth of information and reads that are available from this train is enormous. I doubt anybody will disagree with the idea that we've gained a lot more information from today than we would have had we led a lynch on somebody based upon the minor scum hunting that occurred in the first half of today. Not to say that that stuff isn't valuable, just that this provides more definitive answers. Even if nobody is satisfied with my explanations and this does go through to a lynch, this point will remain true. The true Mason reveal was regrettable and once again I do take the blame for that. | ||
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Muso
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On November 02 2012 13:36 Release wrote: And your "I'm a noob" cry; was that real? You just said "citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here" which leads me to believe that you have played games before (particularly ones in which VTs were citizens). Stop lying. Sorry, I thought when I started using words like "gambit" and "hammer" it would be clear. Yeah, this isn't my first lay in the Sun. I stopped lying a while back  | ||
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Muso
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Muso
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I am sure many of you are very good players but there must seemingly be some very bad players around this site too, because how else could it possibly ever be a conceivable strategy for scum to claim mason on D1? It would make zero sense to anybody, ever. If you were mason and you knew this, and you knew that I within a 99% chance of certainty was also not a mason, then the conclusion you would draw would be that I was town. If however, the policy is to kill anybody who lies at the expense of all other logic then I get why I would be counter-claimed. That was my thought process going in to the mason claim. I'm not trying to absolve myself of guilt. But do keep in mind that if Acro is telling the truth and is not a mason, then had he not counter-claimed me on a hunch the situation here would be quite different. If there are masons out there, then I guess they did exactly as I predicted they would?? Anyway, enough of that. The post Acro is talking about is this one: On November 02 2012 00:34 prplhz wrote: Uhhhh before anybody get ahead of themselves, this is C9++ (although with a twist of wherebugsgo), and it's perfectly possible for two mason pairs to exist. This is quite interesting. This setup is not C9++. However, it is similar enough that prplhz instantly recognizes that it is a modified form of C9++. Implication prplhz is very familiar with C9++. If you're familiar with the setup then you should know that the odds of 2 separate mason teams occurring are astronomically low. In fact in order for it to occur: >> 5/7 of the random numbers between 1-100 generated by the host must be between 86-95. Summary: this is very unlikely. Now combine this with Acro's point on this being prplhz's first reaction and suddenly prplhz's post here looks decidedly odd, and as previously suggested: like somebody who believes there are 2 mason teams because town don't lie, and because neither Muso nor Acro are scum. Earlier (before Acro's cc) prplhz, made this post: On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: This Muso situation is kind of bad. A mason claim is only worth anything when we also know the other mason but right now there's no reason for him to claim. The only way it can be useful later is if Muso breadcrumbs who his mason buddy is but right now he's going to be watched closely by scum and his posting style looks like he'll have a hard time hiding this. Technically there aren't any rules about encryption in the OP so he could encrypt something and then give his buddy the key but that's just lame and hopefully wherebugsgo will disallow it. I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*). Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today. And we're past the one-liner stage of the game, consolidate unless you absolutely have to ask someone something right now which you probably don't. Nobody wants a huge game with tons of one-liners because it's simply harder and more annoying to read and that favors scum. A few things stick out to me: 1. Suddenly going to be too busy to post much. Where I come from, this often precedes a scum going in to lurker mode. Sign ups were only a couple of days ago. I am sure prplhz thought he could be active in the game when he signed up, but in the space of 48 hrs something's changed. One obvious change is he's received his role card :p. 2. ''Has a lot of interesting reads' so to speak, but won't post them for now because of lack of time. I don't know why this happens, but for some reason scum seem to say it all the time. Make him post them upon his return, or hold him to account for the statement. 3. His observation re: encryption suggests to me that it's something that he looked in to himself. 4. Hating on the one-liners. This is a weak point at best, but one-liners honestly don't bother me, but then I'm town and enjoy reading the day chat. Having played scum a lot in the past I do know the feeling, however when the day chat becomes tedious and you only read it because you have to. After all you've got your own secret night chat that is way more interesting, right? ##Vote: prplhz. | ||
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Muso
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On November 02 2012 19:33 risk.nuke wrote: We're still killing Muso for not having a partner. While prplhz/Promethelax was suspicious Muso is basically busted scum. Can't tell if serious :D | ||
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Muso
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I'm not sure about the whole replacement thing. Host made it pretty clear that he only replaces under exceptional circumstances, which I took to mean people's relatives dying, etc. That would suggest that there was probably a fairly legitimate reason for a number of the points I read as scum tells. So I'm not sure anymore. ##unvote Should at least let the new guy say something. | ||
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Muso
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It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax | ||
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