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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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On October 20 2012 10:20 DarthPunk wrote: why would a townie think someone was so scummy that they wished to vote for that person and not mention it at all until they could jump on someone else's bandwagon whilst saying 'yeah I thought that all along' Also. Your entire defense was WIFOM. You sure like throwing the word WIFOM at people but using it yourself when it benefits you :o Also, Hi people! | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 20 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote: Any experience playing mafia beyond GSL I? Also, describe yourself so we may form a scumhunting team of super-friends! Also also, respond to mundane policy talk plz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=2#25 That goes for you too Kei =D There's nothing to respond to. Common sense should tell you that if someone makes a dumb hammer that you should look into them. I don't know why you felt the need to specifically talk about it. Also, its not like there's a specific metric for how "dumb" a hammer is anyways. Its just a judgment call by everyone in the game. If that time comes, we can discuss it then. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 20 2012 12:10 vaderseven wrote: Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. I completely agree with vader here. I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game? I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green. There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote: Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days. It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways. Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that? On October 20 2012 23:58 Z-BosoN wrote: Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine. What the fuck does that even mean? "Someone like Keir"? And also, explain how that post isn't genuine, please. Darth's post, pre-explanation, made absolutely zero sense, and I disagreed with him asking it. Post-explanation, it was still dumb and never going to accomplish what he said his "goal" was, but at least I understand his reasoning now. Anyways, its gameday. I'll be around off and on today, but not sitting at the computer all day. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 21 2012 01:34 Z-BosoN wrote: Well I got sniped. Anyways, Why the overreaction? I found your post to be an useless agreement that didn't add anything, and your lack of follow-up even more suspicious. The underlined is why I didn't find it to be genuine, given that there were a string of posts after your own which dealt with it. I fully agree that it was dumb, but you left no opinion of it. That's just saying something and drawing no conclusions from it, and even worse, not looking like you want to draw any conclusions. I can be wrong here, but your post to me didn't feel genuine and I think that makes you suspicious. What? I made it perfectly clear what my opinion on it was. It was a bullshit post, and I called it that, and wanted him to explain. I was not, and am not, going to make any decisions about his alignment based on that. He at least provided a plausible explanation, even if it does feel a little "made up after-the-fact" because someone called him out on it. I don't think it makes him scummy, nor do I think it makes him town. What, exactly, is the point of saying "Yea, he's still neutral"? | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 21 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hai again - I actually completely forgot about your GSL I game as scum (even though you specifically talked to me about it before >>). But I am curious what you think of DP's "plan" from an alignment perspective. We all had rather harsh things to say about it, but I think it's pretty townie. Et toi? See previous post. Sticking around defending his actions = good. Those actions feeling forced because he was called out = bad. It's a wash. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 21 2012 01:59 Z-BosoN wrote: The point is not to say "he's still neutral". It's just a reasonable thing to inquire from you. You ask someone to answer for something, this someone answers it, and it's expected that you post a follow-up. You find something weird enough to call bullshit on, and just like that you don't bother again, and actually feel like this is warranted later on? I'm not buying your defense here. Your whole problem seems to be that I left instead of sticking around discussing things. I'm not going to keep responding to you here. I had plans. I wasn't going to cancel them because the game started semi-unexpectedly. If you have a problem with that, then tough titties. | ||
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I think it's much less likely for a new player who rolls scum to hop on something like that with a vote, fwiw. | ||
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On October 21 2012 09:45 drazak wrote: So scum are wishywashy (if I unvoted you), but deciding to keep pressure on you is also scummy? You sir are trying to set a trap to catch a townie, not catch scum. First, unvoting isn't being "wishy-washy", assuming you explain yourself. But hell, its not like you even unvoted, nor was DP calling you out FOR unvoting. He was calling you out for leaving your vote on someone who you ostensibly don't believe is scum. It's not a "trap", because he hasn't said anything about you unvoting being scummy to begin with. Voting for someone isn't inherently scummy, obviously, but leaving your vote on someone that you don't have a scum read on is certainly on the scummy side (although, I will admit, that I've seen townies do it too. That doesn't make the action itself less scummy, just that townies can, at times, play scummily). Second, putting pressure isn't scummy either. But, you're not actually putting pressure on him. You just parked a vote there and haven't done anything with it. THAT is scummy. What is the point of your vote right now? | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 21 2012 14:24 DarthPunk wrote: Who views scum hunting in the terms 'establishing town cred'?!?! Obviously that is your motive. But it isn't mine. I want to find scum, because I am town. You want to 'establish town cred' because you are scum. Establishing yourself as town is at least as important as, if not more important than, good scum hunting. | ||
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On October 22 2012 01:00 DarthPunk wrote: I know there must be things I need to change or play around. It bugs me. As scum you push bullshit cases  | ||
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On October 22 2012 01:05 DarthPunk wrote: I post bullshit cases as either alignment. I said "push" not post. Like, your case against me in Liquid City was much stronger than your case against kush, but you pushed Kush super hard. | ||
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Keirathi
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I'm not entirely sold yet. He did the exact same thing as town in GSL 1. "Hey guys, I'll post my reads later when I get home" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline and claimed doc at the last second :o It's a stupid thing to do, but particularly for him, I don't think that necessarily makes him scummy. Until he comes and posts something more substantial, he's a null'ish read, for me. | ||
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On October 22 2012 01:08 Z-BosoN wrote: Sniped by austin. There we are, finally. Now waiting for the two days of unforgiving tunneling from him Hello Keirathi! How goes your scum life? Any thoughts you would like to trouble us with? Oooh, you colored my name red! Exciting. | ||
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On October 22 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote: So who is scummy? Everyone loves giving town reads this game it seems. I don't really have any solid scum reads. Not enough content to go off of. Slightly on the scummy side for Drazak because of the way he parked his "pressure" vote without there actually being any pressure behind it, but nothing else has really stood out. | ||
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On October 22 2012 05:50 marvellosity wrote: I'm not exactly sure. A couple of posts later in his filter he explains he was just calling out bullshit and didn't read anything alignment-y from it. But then if that's the case, then the contributions were just pointless and not really contributions. I think Kei is playing pretty scummily - but what gives me pause is in his recent post, he just told town he doesn't really have any reads. Given he's under some pressure, it makes little sense for a scum Kei to do that. But then I find myself going around in stupid little wifom circles. What do you think? What do you mean they were pointless? I wanted him to explain his rationale. I didn't make a snap judgement, so that's scummy? | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 22 2012 05:13 austinmcc wrote: Keirathi then pops in to comment on v7's post:He's much more forceful in what he's saying. "I call bullshit" "There were many acceptable replies...yours was not one of them." Actually keirathi's response is also interesting to me. iamperfection votes DP, for reasons keirathi seems to agree with. Keirathi calls DP's response bullshit and unacceptable, and...that's it. There's no vote, no FOS, no further comment. "You have given a bullshit/unacceptable response to a vote...carry on." Kind of odd to me. Kei doesn't comment any further. Doesn't follow-up on this. I guess I can respond to this since I'm around for a bit before I have to go sit with my grandpa again. I'm not going to vote for something that I'm not pretty convinced of. His answer to the questioning going on in thread was way more important than what he actually said that I called bullshit on. Also, FOS is a stupid term that I have never nor will ever use. Calling a post bullshit and making a pressure "case" is as close as you'll ever get to seeing an FOS from me. And, about not following up: it was friday night. I went out for the night. Fucking sue me. (And yes, marv, I am being aggressively defensive. If people really want to lynch me for that then I'm going to flip the fuck out.) | ||
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