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So I'm just checking in I call Drazerk out for scummy play He says "I play like this always so you can't call me out for it" My response: okay so we lynch you for it, you know it's scummy play but you do it anyway. When is the deadline? | ||
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strongandbig
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hiro might be scum because he's posted a lot of small one-liners and asked a bunch of questions but not actually contributed much of anything of his own in terms of reads or analysis. drazerk might be scum because he switched his read from keirathi to me for little reason. not giving any reason why he unvoted keirathi shows that he doesn't really care about who he votes for, he just wants to push the thread around. he knows that he and i often get into shitfights and it's advantageous for him as scum to try and start one, as long as he thinks i won't be able to push a scum read on him through, which he probably does because he's arrogant. the thing is - his argument works both ways around - he says that I should know he doesn't actually try to win as town, but he focuses on third party, so my calling him out for that makes me scum. The thing is, I call him out for that every game - his attempting to call me out on it this game for being scum makes no sense. he's trying to use circular logic but it backfired. mattchew is sort of trying to scumhunt. this is very helpful in narrowing down his playstyle. he's either doing his bus-all-the-scum scum routine, or he's actually townie. mattchew very rarely makes up fake scum reads on town players when he's scum, he either posts cases on his teammates or just lurks the shit out of everything. so what that means is you can put a high amount of trust that his reads are genuine - he's either bussing or actually trying to find scum. crossfire99 - pretty focused on drazerk nisani - lol. what a "case". also ##vote: drazerk I think he's probably scum and I want him out of this game. | ||
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so i assume the plan you're talking about is "make a shitty case on purpose to start discussion" ? it's a god-awful plan, the only discussion you'll start is people saying "what a shitty case, you sure you give a fuck this game?" also kenpachi rule lol also keirathi says "I don't think Drazerk is scummy. I feel like he was just legitimately trying to keep the discussion rolling after I unvoted. You'll notice that I didn't question his motives, I just responded to his questions and kept rolling. He was right to call out my unvote. He's was wrong about my intentions, but it was the right move for a townie." - first drazerk "legitimately trying" as town? you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. second this reads pretty sketchy to me, scum like to ingratiate themselves with townies who are suspicious of them as long as their lynch appears remote. so yeah, keirathi not looking too great to me right now. but i'm not sure about it - i'm actually not sure if you're right to call it a "plan" - sometimes townies do make weak cases right at the start of a day to get the ball rolling. it's just a thing, not a plan or a gambit or whatever. So I think he may not have been thinking to himself, 'i'll make this case as shitty as possible to bait out responses', but he could have been thinking 'this is dead so even though there's nothing to work with i'll do what i can." | ||
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it's just not worth it. he's scum and even if he isn't, having him in the game is worse than a mislynch. i don't understand how people can tolerate his play, he intentionally doesn't try to win or be helpful when he's town | ||
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A few thoughts: 1. Because the vote was so close and there were so few ppl on iamperfection, it would not have looked bad for scum to be somewhere else and any scum on iamperfection could relatively easily have switched to avert his lynch. If there was scum on him it was sub-optimal play. Scum do stupid things; I got hammered by my teammates once while I was off playing dota. But in the balance I propose looking away from the iamperfection voters for now. 2. Drazerk's whole play is based around the premise "I refuse to try and look or be townie, so fuck you for trying to analyze me." We should kill him, it's the only sensible town response to that play. Also I think he's scum because he jumps around on votes without a care in the world, and because of that circular reasoning thing from before. Still, I'm not as sure about him as I have been in the past. 3. Getting medium bad vibes from jingle, but I can't put my finger on why. 4. Nisani looks pretty useless - his reasoning for voting Drazerk is pretty dumb IMO and it seems like he's doing some stupidly weak pressure. Like the best he came up with was "too many null reads". 5. I can't remember the last time Austin was scum, any help? Laters | ||
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also hey guys, i'm back in switzerland i just got mislynched in the other game i'm in and i'd like that not to happen again. i also haven't slept in something like 30 hours. im guessing the role list number swapping thing is probably also a bus driver or something. i read a bunch of filters. i'm not sure if i'm finding the right parts though. i think austin and gonzaw are maybe town, austin's attempts to explain things at length and reasonably feel well in line both with his town meta and with good townie behavior in general and gonzaw hasn't been tunnelling me even though he could and usually does. that gonzaw reason is a pretty bad reason though. i still want to kill drazerk. can someone please explain to me why it's okay for him to play like he is? that said, I think nisani is the best lynch at the moment. his filter just doesn't feel town to me, and i agree with whoever it was who said his little "i am null on iamperfection i want to hear more reads etc" thing sounds like how scum talk about each other when forced to. also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. | ||
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i'm having an off week in mafia i guess. basically i get really mad that no one ever seems to care that drazerk doesn't try when he is town. | ||
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oo tired voting in case i dont wake up by deadline which i dont remember when it is ##vote: nisani | ||
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Sorry that I've been busy. I've been basically trying to avoid being modkilled. I was at home on vacation and spending time with my family and friends. Now I'm back at work and adjusting to jetlag, so still not the best playing conditions, but hopefully a little better. I really do think that nisani is scum though. I'll roleclaim. I am ATLAS. I breadcrumbed this earlier when I /shrugged. My role is "reverse hider" - basically it's a bodyguard, I have extra lives and if my target gets shot I take the hit instead. Last night I took a scum hit that was aimed at someone else. I can do the same thing tonight. My role says that since P-BODY and I are "so in sync", whoever P-BODY targets with their ability I also target with my ability. I don't know what P-BODY's ability is, however, and I don't know if their ability also targets the person I target my ability at. So I know that last night I took a hit that was aimed at someone else. However, I don't know if it was aimed at the person I targeted, beacuse it could have been aimed at the person P-BODY targeted. I don't even know if P-BODY is town. I am working on the assumption that they are, however, since having my power target a scum target doesn't make much sense to me. It's possible though. I also am assuming that P-BODY is town because of flavor - ATLAS and P-BODY are test takers, and GLaDOS's flavor as well as mine indicate that the town is the people taking the tests, and the scum are the people making the tests. I'm unsure whether P-BODY should claim at this point. On the one hand, it would mean outing themselves - although they don't necessarily have to claim what their power is, and since everyone in this game probably has a power of some sort it wouldn't necessarily mean they're making themselves a scum blue-snipe target. But since I don't know P-BODY is town, he doesn't know if I'm town either. All he could confirm is if he knows that the ATLAS role exists, and if the thing I'm saying about targets is true if he also has that. If he is also town then he could also confirm my flavor speculation, about the test-makers being scum and the test-takers being town. If you believe that line of reasoning, then ATLAS and P-BODY have to be town if those roles exist, and therefore confirming that the roles exist would help people not lynch me. So for the moment, I think P-BODY should wait to see how people react to the roleclaim and only claim themselves if it looks like I'm still the main lynch target and they think claiming would help keep me from getting lynched. | ||
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On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: I never defend myself You should know this by now Drazerk wrote: Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Those are quotes from PTP3 where he was scum. On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote: I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote: You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that) These are quotes from Bastard Mafia 2 where he was town. It infuriates me that he keeps playing like this and no one holds him accountable. He consciously sacrifices his town play to make his scum play better. In both of those games, he wasn't lynched because people just said "oh it's drazerk playing like drazerk." The thing is, this isn't like kenpachi or other bad players where that's just how they play - drazerk consciously does this as his "play style." He's not trying to help the town, and it just makes me really mad. Drazerk, being 100% honest here - you being in games makes them less fun for me. Seeing him say things here like "you can't apply logic to me" pisses me off. That's why I've been tunnelling him. I really, truly honestly want him to die. I also think he's scum because of the circular logic thing and because he's trying to kill me without actually explaining anything. But I recognize that that alone doesn't explain the extent to which my posts have been focused on him this game. | ||
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The target was HiroPro. I wanted to protect someone who voted for iamperfection. I had mementoss as my target originally, because I thought he was the best player out of those four, but someone made a case on him that was pretty good so I thought someone like hiro would be more likely to take a shot because they weren't under pressure. | ||
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Also I don't like this keirathi / jingle hell recent minishitfight. Something feels weird about it to me. The whole thing just feels so unnecessary. | ||
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