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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 16 2012 19:42 GMT
#18
/in
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 17 2012 21:32 GMT
#53
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.

Your guys thoughts?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 00:11 GMT
#123
On September 18 2012 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.

Your guys thoughts?


I think you're scum

##unvote
##vote: iamperfection

Care to share why?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 00:30 GMT
#131
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 00:35 GMT
#134
On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Geebus why are you flipping out?

what?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 00:37 GMT
#136
On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah.

Believe it or not it did randomly come out as marv.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#141
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Geebus why are you flipping out?

what?


"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on."

Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.

he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 00:53 GMT
#147
On September 18 2012 09:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh yeah I agree I just think it's funny, here I'm working on a chart one sec


[image loading]

OK obviously this isn't an accurate representation of what you think, since it's more HOW people react that what their reaction is that determines scumminess (ie you could have a weak, well-reasoned reaction or a strong, well-reasoned reaction). The purpose of this chart is that you're framing your critique of these players wrong. The problem isn't that iamperfection reacted too strongly to my case, it's HOW he reacted too strongly. After lurking and being called out for it by me, after I've moved my vote off prplhz, THEN he strongly condemns my case (without really great reasoning) with swear words.

This is why iamperfection's reaction is bad. it's not that he strongly disagrees with my case-- after all, you did as well-- it's HOW he agrees. it's phony.

i could of just restated all of hapas reasoning but that would have been scummy 2 now wouldnt it.

plus you asked me what my thoughts were on the case so what does you moving your vote off him so what does that have to do with anything.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 01:29 GMT
#152
On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P

But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange.


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.

people that defend me frighten me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 13:07 GMT
#186
On September 18 2012 21:46 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Rereading the thread, and I need to comment on this. Random lynch isn't coming in to the thread and going "let's lynch this guy."

You should know this VERY WELL having seen how Palmar went about it; he proposes a methodical method where we all go to some website he set up or some shit and roll a RNG. The point of Palmar's random-lynch is that it is demonstrably random to the whole thread. Yours was not demonstrably random.

I know it was so much better. Thanks for explaining your reasoning on why you were somewhat suprised about my actions at the start. It makes more sense now.

## Unvote
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 13:08 GMT
#187
also mkfuba07 get the fuck in here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 13:17 GMT
#190
On September 18 2012 22:17 Ange777 wrote:
How about you give your own scum reads iamperfection?

Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P

But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange.


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.

people that defend me frighten me.


Why so scared?

The last 2 people that defended me were scum. They now im town so they defend me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 14:15 GMT
#208
Zephirdd sticks out the most to me. He did misrepresent what hapa said. I also dont like the way that he defended me.

On September 18 2012 10:50 Zephirdd wrote:
HEY GUYS

Sorry it took you so long. So, are you familiar to the Zephirdd Rule®?
This is how it works.

"The person that thinks the bullshit from a first post to be scummy is almost certainly scum."

Maybe my english here isn't perfect. Anyways, we had our pretty iamperfection throwing his random vote right? Yeah that's some bullshit.

Then we got a series of responses from players all dismissing the random vote, but one of them rings my bells:


Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.

Your guys thoughts?


Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it.

I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts?

This is the only player at that point that decided to use this random lynch as a reason to vote iamperfection(even if he doesn't actually vote him). So right now, my first reaction is that Hapahauli is trying to take them guitars from da band.



##Vote hapahauli


This one is the most damning in my eyes. I thought with that post hapa was sor of joking back at me. In his eyes he uses as a basis to start his case but i think hapas stance there was more of just a throw away comment but he uses as a basis to start his case. so this should be a null tell in my eyes.

On September 18 2012 11:52 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Geebus why are you flipping out?

what?


"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on."

Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.


let's look at this post for instance. This is a confirmation bias-kind of post, but it in no way means anything to IAMP's alignment. In fact, it is just another null tell. Yet for some odd reason that I can't think of, someone cursing at a case(made by BH of all people) is somehow over-the-top scummy

See this is the issue here: Hapahauli finds something on IMP's post and thinks it's scummy.

The funniest part of this all(that I just realized)? He never voted IMP! Even though he proposes imp's lynch twice(first after his random vote, then now by saying he is over-the-top scummy), he is set on mementoss. His reasoning is explained as mementoss being 'wishy-washy' on almost less evidence than BH himself!

Finally, dismissing a case = defending the player. If you are going to dismiss a case, you either provide solid evidence(more than 'this case is bad because it is not researched enough' even though it had 3 months worth of research) or you show why the attacked player is townie.

Oh and finally
Show nested quote +
1) That I voted iamperfection based on his random vote. This is false

Is NOT at all part of my case. I never, EVER, mentioned that you voted him. I mentioned that you proposed that he is a good player to be lynched after his BS from the first-post(which in turn leads you to be eligible to the Zephirdd Rule). Who is not reading?


The funny thing is he then attacks hapa for making a case on me on which he describes as a null tell. This guy is full of contradictions and bullshit. He misrepresents comments i think he is scum.
On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'?



I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read.

Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here.


Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:
@ mmtoss -
On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:
On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though:

On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:
On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?

If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss


I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case.

I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue).


I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early.2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later.3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4


Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic:
1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier!
2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?)
3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him)
4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc.




1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy?
2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day.
3) Nothing to do with one another.
4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy.

I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol.


Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference:

But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4


Dayyyyum son.

##Vote mementoss


Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Geebus why are you flipping out?

what?


"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on."

Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.


Also i dont like this at all. He basically gives up here saying nothing is going to change his mind. Why is he not open to possibilites. I think its because he is scum he should have no information right now. If he was town he would consider all possibilities.
##Vote Zephirdd
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 14:23 GMT
#210
On September 18 2012 23:22 mkfuba07 wrote:
At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated.

school out early?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 14:43 GMT
#214
On September 18 2012 23:41 Ange777 wrote:
@iamperfection:

Where is Zeph defending you?

By saying hapa is scum for thinking i was scumy with my first post. Its his whole rule thing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 15:46 GMT
#238
On September 19 2012 00:07 Ange777 wrote:
Mementoss did defend iamperfection whereas Palmar simply gave him town cred for apparentely no reason. But iamperfection himself had commented on Mementoss' defense so of course I am asking for his stance on Mementoss.

to me mementoss seemed to be more remarking just on person who would propose a random lynch in general. In my view Zephirdd is the better option because not only does he defend me he misrepresented hapas posts.

On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P

But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange.


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.


To me he was only stating a fact.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 18:01 GMT
#278
On September 19 2012 02:53 prplhz wrote:
I voted you now didn't I?

Really thats all you have to say?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 22:29 GMT
#364
On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:

I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate.

Whats this?

@mkfuba show no fear man stay in here.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 18 2012 22:47 GMT
#367
whats the point of having that smurf if everyone knows who it is just delete it i say.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 19 2012 02:22 GMT
#384
so nobody is scum............

thanks for the help

What are you afraid of? Make a read. Basically you blame everyone else for your inability to not get a read. Its day one no read is going to be perfect and your indecisivness leads me to believe more and more that your scum. It seems like to me your just trying to lay groundwork for someone else to make a case because your to afraid to do it.
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