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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 17 2012 06:51 GMT
#34
/in
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 17 2012 06:58 GMT
#36
I am scared of this as well ... You know my town meta pretty well and I haven't rolled scum since my first newbie game on TL Mafia :D
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 07:34 GMT
#169
Good morning guys! Catching up now ...
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 08:26 GMT
#170
Ok, after reading the thread there are a few matters which strike me.

prplhz

On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that.

Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down.

I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy.

As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in.

Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.




austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now.

Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him.

marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game.

We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.



Actually I am not that sold on the effort in scum hunting he has done. I was equally suspicious of his first post as the last game I played with him had the exact same kind of starting post. After having defended himself against Blazinghand's case he proceeded to give us 3 town reads and stated that he is suspicious of marv due to the lack of posts. The case generated so much discussion that I find it unlikely that all he gained from it was town reads. Where are your scum reads?

@Blazinghand: I liked his explanation for the starting post as well but your case was not just based on the starting post but on his lack of activity/scum hunting as well. So why switch off of him? It seems like an easy way to change your vote even though he has not delivered what you were asking from him: scum hunting.

iamperfection


On September 18 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P

But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange.


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.

people that defend me frighten me.


So are you saying Mementoss is scum for defending you?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 13:01 GMT
#185
@prplhz:

On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.

Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.

@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?

List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity.


What makes you think my play is terrible? And why does thinking the Kenpachi/Zephirdd Rule is bullshit entitle you to just ignore cases? Just because someone posts bullshit does not mean that it can't help you uncover scum. Again I don't see any kind of scum hunting from you. Scum?

+ Show Spoiler +
In my first game ever I rolled scum: Newbie XII.


@Bluelightz:

What makes you think that Mementoss is more scummy than prplhz? Your biggest concern seems to be that he has many different scum reads but that does not mean that he is not contributing. In contrary it is better than prplhz's filter who has not backed up his suspicions with an explanation at all.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 13:17 GMT
#189
How about you give your own scum reads iamperfection?

On September 18 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P

But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange.


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.

people that defend me frighten me.


Why so scared?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 14:41 GMT
#213
@iamperfection:

Where is Zeph defending you?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 14:48 GMT
#216
@Palmar:

On September 18 2012 22:57 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Geebus why are you flipping out?

what?


"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on."

Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.

he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it.


Confirms my post above. No scum would say this.


Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 14:54 GMT
#217
@marv:

I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.

@iamperfection:

Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 15:07 GMT
#225
Mementoss did defend iamperfection whereas Palmar simply gave him town cred for apparentely no reason. But iamperfection himself had commented on Mementoss' defense so of course I am asking for his stance on Mementoss.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 15:15 GMT
#229
@Zeph:

What makes Palmar town? Posting that big list dividing us in town, null and scum reads?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 15:35 GMT
#236
@marv: I am far more comfortable lynching someone I have a scum read on (prplhz) than a semi-lurker (HiroPro). Especially as I feel that his posting is exactly the same as GSL Open.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 15:55 GMT
#239
Having been the "center of attention" prplhz should easily have some scum reads. So where are they? It's the same as last game. And him saying he won't read any Kenpachi/Zeph rule stuff is definitely not pro-town behaviour at all. I don't see any effort from him regarding scum hunting.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 16:04 GMT
#242
On September 19 2012 00:57 HiroPro wrote:
k, Palmar is scum. hapa probably is too. Not because of Zeph's case though lol.


Because? Can't you give a reason when you are suddenly stating town or scum reads?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 19:24 GMT
#281
Neither this

On September 19 2012 01:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
On September 19 2012 01:33 prplhz wrote:
On September 19 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
why do GK and Palmar look town to you, then?

Well, goodkarma looks town because he was putting effort into his posts and because he was pushing the right agendas and because he replaced out (sorry, but town replaces out 10 times more than scum). Palmar is looking interested in this game and that's good enough for me for now. You will agree with me that HiroPro's case is not exactly overly convincing.


No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier.


Do you honestly think that this is a valid point? Should I just hold back my opinions because they don't match what's already going on?

screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later

##vote marvellosity


nor that

On September 19 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar


fuck you


is a solid and well written case. I don't like Palmar presenting us this complete list without any kind of explanation. No one said anything about holding back your scum reads. But you need to back them up with reasons and evidence. At the same time marv's OMGUS vote is plain stupid. If you are town you should stop this. If you seriously think the other is scum present a case.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 19:37 GMT
#285
@prplhz:

Where is your scum hunting?

You have failed to give a reason as for why you'd like to lynch me.

On September 19 2012 01:08 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:
prplhz you useless sack of shit, get in thread.

Do you want to kill marv? austin? Hiro? give me something.

I don't really know. Contrary to popular beliefs, being the centre of attention for a little while doesn't entail a plentitude of scum reads. I guess I want to kill Ange777 but I don't really know why. The day is young though.

I'm curious about your austinmcc read I felt that this post was pretty townie it seems like he's putting some thought into the game about my alignment. What you think? You seem to be pretty sure of him being scum and I was too until that post so I'm wondering what changed my mind but didn't change yours.


You have shut down any discussion regarding Palmar's alignment.

On September 19 2012 01:23 prplhz wrote:
HiroPro we're not lynching Palmar on day1 on anything other than a scum claim end of story. I'm sure you can see why so find something else to do with your time.


You have given another wonderful green townie list.

On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis!

prplhz
Blazinghand
Palmar
iamperfection
Hapahauli
Mementoss


Gonna go read more filters.


And you have successfully jumped on marv's bandwaggon.

On September 19 2012 02:26 prplhz wrote:
hapa too good

##Vote marvellosity


Which by the way seems to be based on a ridiculous reason. He had his suspicions about Hiro because of the lack of content not because of suspicious content. So what's wrong with considering Hiro's statement?

Instead of finding scum by yourself you have others do the work for you. That's scum motivation.

##Vote: prplhz
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 19:47 GMT
#287
On September 19 2012 04:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 04:24 Ange777 wrote:
At the same time marv's OMGUS vote is plain stupid. If you are town you should stop this. If you seriously think the other is scum present a case.



Lecturing me has a provenly high success rate of altering how I play.

By 'provenly high' I mean absolutely zero. If you think I'm scum, vote me, if you don't, don't tell me how to play. And I mean this as politely as possible.


I'll keep that in mind.

As to hapa, I think he asked this question because you were voting Palmar and he doesn't want to lynch a vet right now. Not because he thinks that your reasoning was wrong.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 18 2012 19:50 GMT
#288
EBWOP:

I read his post with the emphasize on the bold part.

On September 19 2012 02:25 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

-snip-

Why do you find Hiro's point compelling if you think he's mafia? You had your vote firmly on him at this point, and I don't understand why you'd be all of a sudden so willing to listen to, what appears to me as a weak observation about Palmar?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1.


♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 19 2012 09:16 GMT
#412
@Blazinghand: Hapa unvoted marv previously and hasn't set his vote on anyone else yet. So we are missing two votes.

@Palmar:

On September 19 2012 17:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Also Palmar if Marv is scum I would like to lynch him quite a bit-- he can be extraordinarily dangerous. You promised an explanation later-- I'll be awake for a bit. What's your case?


THIS and I am still not sold on iamperfection's confirmed town status. Just because of the attitude he gave that statement in? How about his awful case on Zeph and the lack of any scum hunting activity from him since?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 19 2012 09:16 GMT
#413
EBWOP: Ninjad
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