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Guess it is about time I tested the waters myself.Newbie Mini Mafia XXVI
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Here are my current reads so far. I would consider them weak ( esp as we have players who have hardly/not posted yet), but if they are not addressed in later play then I will be concerned - : Scummy: SonicDeathMonkey: I appreciate your efforts to keep the thread ordered and moving along. But, that is a nice null read at best. Your posting reads too much like scum trying to push others along without much substantive play in the hope that it will create a nice wagon to jump on or an outspoken townie you can target. You must stop trying to play threadcop and post some original reads with better reasoning. JacobStrangelove: Almost every post in your filter thus far is wishy washy and lacking in any content - your conclusion on lynching lurkers? It comes down to instinct. On nolynch day one: You disagree(only acceptable response to that dumb question) - but do “know what you mean”. On my first post? “Maybe it was pointless.. but on the flip side”. You have managed to be active without any content on even the most innocuous of debates - scummy until you get more involved with the thread. WeeTee - I agree with thrawn that only a fluffy first post, is now hard to justify now that there has been some discussion. Needs to follow up with a better second post. Weetee can stand in for anyone else who has not posted as well, at this point we have enough of a thread that just a fluff post is not a good entrance. Towny: thrawn Xatalos Both have posted good content, logically reasoned. Unsure: Kushm4sta’s posting so far confuses me. I need to think about them more/see what else he posts before I develop any kind of read. Fluff: - I have never watched the TV show the flavour for this game is based on - so please don’t make any jokes and expect me to understand them. | ||
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On September 03 2012 01:02 JacobStrangelove wrote: you were missing for a large period of time with no apparent reason. Leaving aside your other points for the moment - I don't think that this is a fair accusation. I posted once in the morning when I had woken up and saw the game had begun, and again in the afternoon when there had been some more discussion in the thread. I will probably try to make a longer post again this evening. I feel that is a good activity level. | ||
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Jacob, I did not find your response to me very helpful, it was clearly contradictory for you to say that my reads were very/too safe and then give the "reads" that you did. I don't have any more scumhunting to offer at the moment though so I will nod off and see what the morning brings. | ||
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##Vote WeeTee | ||
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On a percentage basis I think it is more likely that cuba or weetee or stutters (who never asked those "questions" he was promising) or drazak are scum who have realised their mistake and are trying to cover for it - rather than kville who is being such a blatant lurk. Weetee says that "In my opinion my previous post is succinct of my town reads and its what I wanted to say which should be valued by everyone as a whole" My point was that I did not think your town reads added much to the thread, partly because I am very sceptical of "meta" reads at this point given that we all have 3 or less games. I could persuaded to change my vote off you given that others have not agreed with me, but to do so I do need to hear from you not about who you think is town - but who you think is scum! | ||
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I am ignoring Kville for the moment... I think the quality of his posts is self evident, but he is just a distraction atm. | ||
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Yawn - Ok... I am going to ignore Kville for the moment because his posting is useless. At this point I am happy to get on Kush's Cubu wagon. He has made a cogent case for why Cubu is a decent lynch and has offered up a plausible reason (meta) why he prefers him to Weetee. I have said already that I am sceptical of the value of meta in a newbie game, but looking back at the thread I can't honestly say I have a better case on Weetee than Kush does on Cubu and all day 1 reads are fairly weak by necessity. Weetee still remains in my mind though and I certainly will want to examine him again D2. He has ignored/not seen/not yet answered my request, but I assume he will see it when he comes to vote soonish assuming he does not want to get modkilled. As I will be asleep for the lynch - gl town. | ||
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the game will be put on halt until the night post is up and this just means we can't start voting again until after the night post? | ||
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In regards to the phrase ""Kush's Cubu wagon" I think that is a fair reflection of the thread at that point. Kush pushed kubu as the "best" lynch of the small number of lurkers. No-one else was talking much about weetee, (except to say he was an ok lynch but not their preferred choice) so I tried instead to be helpfull to town by supporting the read of a player who I had no real scum read on and who I felt was making a solid, logical case for a lynch. you could have a scum motivation for trying to stop people talking at night. Just saying. I don't, it was just a mistake/misunderstanding of how the game works. Looking back at other games I should have worked it out without being told, but it hardly inhibited discussion much?I did leave your other points aside because it was clear that at that point the thread was moving on. The main problems you had with my play as I understood it were: a) the time of my postings - which I addressed to your satisfaction I think and b) The fact that my reads were too "safe" - which I did not feel needed a longer comment. Looking back at the thread I don't think it would have been possible to make a scum read that was not absurd that you could not have twisted into an opinion that it was "safe" at that point, and the fact that you then posted your reads which were a) me - for reasons I did not credit (obviously) and otherwise essentially the same players - still seems like nonsense to me. In regards to my complaints about your posting style & your response to it. I continue to find it hard to read but I have not formed a revised opinion about how scummy it is. With you & sonic - I need to find time to look through your filter's again and look at your play over time & in context before I come to any new opinions, as you were never going to be lynched yesterday I put this on the backburner. | ||
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If I am still alive tomorrow, I will be voting for the player who I have the strongest scumread on, and my backup will be voting for someone who I have a less good read on but who is being pushed by people whom I have a townread on and who have made a good case. Making elaborate schemes beyond that seems silly to me as it just tells scum where to hide to avoid being lynched (which in retrospect was probably our biggest mistake on day 1). So I agree insofar as I think we should set the matter aside | ||
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I agree my post last night was broad/reluctant. That is because I broadly agree about kville, but really hope we can do better because even if kville is mafia he is the weakest member of the mafia as well in terms of finding the whole mafia team. In terms of those I am suspicious of at the moment: Weetee/imcasey - No change since my last post when I said they were null for the moment (perhaps jacob did not read that post?) and that the need for replacement might have explained what I found scummy about them, but that I would be watching closely. I am not sure how this can be seen as “bandwagoning with xtalos” as Jacob has suggested. If you look at Xatalos’s vote he voted for Cubu early, when I was still voting for wetee.. which hardly seems like bandwagon activity to me. Jacob - I am trying hard to be objective about you and not fall into an OMGUS trap just because you are pushing me. But, I really dislike your play-style, posts like this one: Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying. seem to be designed just to confuse townies while saying almost nothing of value. At this point in the game town has very little information, so we can dream up any number of scenarios to second guess the mafia actions, I don’t think that kind of theorycrafting will help us catch scum. Your current argument seems to be that Xatalos & I are/were attempting to bus weetee/imcasey because I was more suspicious of him (unknown alignment) over cubu (confirmed town) on d1. I find this argument hard to understand and it seems more driven by your suspicions/attempts to smear me. Xatalos - I don't know what to make of the fact that jacob is pushing him alongside me. But, I would like him to explain why he thinks that Stutters695 is a much weaker case than imcasey, given that the need to be replaced seems to count in Weetees/imcaseys favour but not in his on d1 and there has been little from either of them on d2. Kville/Stutters - yep these two guys exist, not much more you can say about either unless stutters decides to be helpful (I have no hope with kville) | ||
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First : Kush, who on Day 1 was very eager to see Cubu lynched, and made numerous posts deflecting attention away from stutters equally terrible posting (and he convinced town to mislynch - not necessarily his fault ofc, but...). Here, just after stutters has made his first substantive (no real scumhunting though, just pointless arguing) post, Krush soon starts to push his lynch wagon on other targets: So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way? Well, clearly alot of people did not feel that way, but Kush was very good at pushing (Cubu over other targets). Here he redirects the suspicion of our confirmed town player with a poor defence (Stutters posts d1 were NOT helpful, in depth & coherent - they essentially amounted to "look guys I am somewhat active and these guys are not - lynch them instead") So the drazak didn't work out for you? Now you aim your sights at Stutters. Stutters over Cuba makes ZERO sense to me. He is not the ideal townie, but if you compare his filter to Cuba's, the difference is night and day. As town Stutters appears to be much more helpful, writing in depth and coherently. You are right he has offered no scum read yet. However he still has 8 hours and as he explained he is not a very active poster. On the other hand look at cuba's "scum read." It's more like a defense: you can't lynch him for lurking because kville is lurking way harder. And then he also accuses drazak...hmm that's interesting..but I'll get to that next post. Equally on Day 2 Kush is keen to portray stutters as basically a null read and focus discussion elsewhere. Stutters has been lurking hard day 2. His recent kville accusations have been very safe. At this point kville is the safest person to suspect, just because his play has been so WTF. However, I do appreciate his recent contributions on kville's metagame and I think that was a good post. I'm ok with stutters as a focus but I would prefer someone else. But then, again straight after that he is again trying to establish a consensus on a lynch that does not include stutters So can we come to a consensus about people we want to focus investigation on? Xatalos and who else? I like drazak but kreb doesn't it seems like. Any other input on the matter? Again I want to avoid lurkers who don't really have much to talk about. Xatalos has done a similar thing (to a lesser extent) - throughout much of the game redirecting suspicion away from stutters (though it may be less intentional in his cas) Here he is: The case against WeeTee (imcasey) is quite good IMO. At least I think it's much stronger than the policy lynching of kville or the suspicions toward Stutters695. but then, when I (and jacob? - not sure, I am not reading jacobs shitstorm of a filter again to find out) were confused why he thought this he says I don't think I've ever said that WeeTee was much more likely Mafia than Stutters695? They've seemed somewhat equally scummy all this time, in my opinion. Where did this misunderstanding come from? But in that post he is at least happy to discuss Stutters as a lynch. Now, this does not mean that both Kush & Xatalos are mafia if stutters flips - but that is WAY too much subtle redirecting of a target for me. Stutters is as scummy as anyone at this point, if he flips we will have some strong targets for d3. If we lynch him and he is not mafia, town is in a bad spot - but we are in a bad spot regardless of who we lynch if they flip and are not mafia (kreb has convinced me of this with his case against kville that there is no point not going for lurkers.). I think kville is not a terrible lynch. But Stutters is better and more scummy, and throws alot of suspicions on others who seem to have been redirecting a/the serious Stutters wagon so far... | ||
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Yes my case is associative, I do think that is a fair point against it and I didn't know (but can see the logic) for why that makes it a weaker case. @drazak I am reading Kush's filter again for the allegations you made and will also post my thoughts on it. | ||
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