EPTEdit: Will there be 9 players or 13?
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FoS Dandel lon | ||
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##vote marvellosity You know... just 'cause. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:04 Shady Sands wrote: :S I don't get what you're trying to say here. If you believe the scumhunting convo will carry automatically from day to night, then why do you need to encourage activity specifically during the night as well? This is in response to XXIV, where there was extremely little discussion N1. It may have been because we mislynched the most active poster (sorry about that XD), but that night was almost completely wasted as far as scumhunting goes. My post was basically an effort to remind the newer players that posting during the night is both allowed and encouraged, as well as a way to remind myself to keep up good posting habits throughout. On August 24 2012 10:37 thrawn2112 wrote: -snip- I also wanna hear what mkfuba, kush, alsn, Spaghetticus, and Dandel Ion are thinking. More so mkfuba kush and spaghetti because dandel is sleeping and alsn already promised a post. Yeah, my apologies. I couldn't fall asleep last night, so I was exhausted when I made my previous post and crashed right afterward. My posting will certainly pick up now. On August 24 2012 11:55 Shady Sands wrote: Where is mkfuba? Why is he not posting? Well this is inconvenient timing for me to wake up XD | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:45 kushm4sta wrote: Wow you sounded really smart about lvdr he seems fishy how he constantly shifts the focus to those he knows aren't mafia. And he does it in a very non constructive way. However you suspect me for some reason which is just wrong. If I were mafia I would be super nice and would not be aggressive or defensive in any way actually. It's because im town that I'm not afraid to act like this because I have nothing to hide. Basically I think you are mistaking "bad play" for guilt. Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him. Could you clarify what you mean by this? It strikes me as odd that you would say this since no townie should know who the other townies are. So the argument you use against Lvdr can be turned against you as well. What makes you think that the players Lvdr is targetting aren't scum? On August 24 2012 12:30 Lvdr wrote: @mkfuba Your posting so far has been policy and fluff-city (fluffcity bitch fluff fluff city bitch) This post in particular has caught my attention. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=8#141 You pitter patter around, but say nothing. Get out there and scumhunt!! Yes, my first post was policy. That's pretty much how every game starts off. Then my second post was responding to a direct question from Shady, as well as explaining why I was apparently lurking. The only thing I consider fluff is the last bit, and for that I'll apologize. When the game's just started I tend to be more liberal with what I will comment on, and the fact that Shady called me out right when I was about to post a response was entertaining. | ||
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On August 24 2012 13:17 kushm4sta wrote: He knows they are townies because he is mafia is what I mean. Mafia knows who is mafia and who is townies. Therefore, lvdr is trying to get me lynched because he knows I'm a townie. Also I know the quality of my posts have been pretty shit, because I am new and terrible at this game maybe, but I don't see how the poor quality of my posts makes me a suspect for mafia. It just makes me easier to read if anything IMO. But let me give you a little peak into lvdrs mind right now. He thinks, ok who is a townie i can easily target. Ah kush said some dumb shit so everyone will agree with me to get rid of him. Well you made a pretty strong statement. 85% scum after a few hours into D1 is something you have to back up with more than simply WIFOM. On August 24 2012 13:21 kushm4sta wrote: Everyone is focusing on how I said 85 percent... That was just a completely arbitrary percentage based on how convinced I was from Alsn's post. Maybe I'm easily swayed but I feel like Alsn truly revealed lvdr's mo. What part of Alsn's post was most convincing for you? What you said indicated a strong scum read, and I don't get a similar read from Alsn's post. As a side note, just remember that nothing you say in regard to scumhunting should be said arbitrarily. This isn't an accusation, just a suggestion for the rest of your play. | ||
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I'd like to hear from you more. I think there's enough to at least comment on the various reads that people have made. Are there any you agree with? Disagree with? Do you think any are contrived or have ulterior motives? So far I have a null read on you, but the longer you refrain from posting the more suspicious it becomes. | ||
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On August 24 2012 13:49 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn: What i think about your read on Lvdr is possibly you are also mafia and you are protecting him. I don't like the leadership role you took in the beginning and I think it reeks of mafia. You are playing the role of the townsperson in order to protect yourself except you are going overboard and acting as if you are the super townsperson. Fact: you are the best townsperson so far, in terms of questioning people and intiating discussion. That in itself should be suspect. Your read on alvar is essentially that he is doing the same thing as everyone else. But he is making new people write stuff so that he can accuse them. What do I think about this random complicated meta? How the hell should I know. I dont even know how to check that stuff. Oh and who agrees with his meta theories, it's you. Good cop bad cop type thing going on here. Except you're not cops your mafia. ##FOS:thrawn2112 ##FOS:lvdr And please don't think that Im mafia beaucse I'm spreading confusion or whatever. I know no one is going to agree with me but I just want to be able to say I told you so when these two guys who are clearly working together end up being the mafia. Wha... I don't... Your reasoning for him being scum is that he's clearly the strongest townsperson? That will never work out for him in the long run. An active scum will talk a lot but say very little. If that's what you think he's doing, then provide the evidence for it. Where's the fluff, the wishy-washiness, the subtle assertions without outright stating his reads? Saying he's the "best townsperson so far" is different than saying he's the most active person so far. And please don't think that Im mafia beaucse I'm spreading confusion or whatever. I know no one is going to agree with me but I just want to be able to say I told you so when these two guys who are clearly working together end up being the mafia. If you actually think they're both scum (which you evidently do since you've FoS'd and want to say "I told you so" when they flip red) then you have to state the reasoning that you believe they're scum before you start looking at their actions from a scum perspective. Anyone's actions in the game right now can be construed as scum motivated. You already know that, since you defend yourself in the first sentence of this quote. I've defended Thrawn; what does that do to your scum defending each other argument? | ||
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@kush If you are town, stop the current path you're going down. You've crossed over from overly-defensive into anti-town defensive play. If you're town, PM marv and get some help. I'm not voting for you yet, and I bet others aren't going to vote for you just yet either. You can pull yourself out of this hole you've dug, but you need to change your methods. Ask marv about any of the things you've done that we've jumped down your throat for and find out why we reacted that way. | ||
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On August 24 2012 12:30 Lvdr wrote: @mkfuba Your posting so far has been policy and fluff-city (fluffcity bitch fluff fluff city bitch) This post in particular has caught my attention. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=8#141 You pitter patter around, but say nothing. Get out there and scumhunt!! without commenting on my response in any way. Was my response not enough? Was it the straw that broke the camel's back? He says he wants to hear more from me and then ignores what I've said. Here's a copy of my response in case anyone wants to read it:+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2012 12:50 mkfuba07 wrote: Yes, my first post was policy. That's pretty much how every game starts off. Then my second post was responding to a direct question from Shady, as well as explaining why I was apparently lurking. The only thing I consider fluff is the last bit, and for that I'll apologize. When the game's just started I tend to be more liberal with what I will comment on, and the fact that Shady called me out right when I was about to post a response was entertaining. I'm also always suspicious of people who point out how pro-town they're being, which he's done outright once, and subtley twice. He emphasizes how he's promoting discussion, which is a pro-town action, but all of the discussion is about town reads that will reveal far less in the future than scum reads will. Essentially, all he's said so far is "I lynch lurkers. Shady seems town. Discuss how Shady seems town. I'm pro-town. Kush is suspicious because he said 85%. Fuba scumhunt!" He's actually said very little about anything at all, aside from a town read on Shady that a townie wouldn't be very confident of. | ||
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The one thing that I would like him to respond to for sure is why he roleclaimed. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:42 Lvdr wrote: Remember FOS is a tool in order to stimulate discussion. My earlier FOS were largely manufactured because of lack of evidence. Right now our focus needs to be widespread so that we dont have a situation where, for example kush gets tunneled hard and we have no evidence on anyone else. This is suspicious to me. We certainly shouldn't focus on one person (kush) if he's not scummy, but we shouldn't be FoS'ing everyone. At this point we actually want to be narrowing down our discussions so that we're not pressed a few hours before vote time. Casting a wide net of suspicion is what mafia want, so they don't have to give strong reads on anyone. | ||
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I remain suspicious of Lvdr, as he has done little in the way of addressing my concerns. What I said about him was not about mindlessly throwing around FoS's, it was that despite his FoS's he has contributed very little to town or give us any insight into his motivations. Since my previous rough analysis of his play, he has made four posts, none of which affect my read on him. His strongest town action is his case against Shady, but though it gives us some insight into his motivations, I find the FoS suspicious. He seemed perfectly willing to declare Shady as town when he was acting in his "aggressive town" meta, but is apparently confused when Shady sticks to his "voting based on ridiculous reasoning" meta. I have seen evidence of both in my games against Shady (limited though they may be), and I see neither of them as good enough reasoning to confirm him as town or as scum. At the moment my vote will stand on him, unless switching my vote is able to avoid a no-lynch. ##vote Lvdr My second candidate at the moment is WeeTee. Though in general I agree with Spag's recent posts, Thrawn raises a good point in that WeeTee has yet to take a side in most matters. Also, he has voted for kush because of his defensive, inexperienced play, when WeeTee himself is using it in his own defense as a bad townie. I would prefer to vote for him only as a last resort, but am willing to as he was my second scumread earlier in the game. As an aside, I realize I didn't mention this earlier. I found him more suspicious than kush for reasons that I couldn't put into words, so I didn't comment on him until I found out what was bugging me. Thrawn's post showed me what I was missing. I look forward to Spag's post regarding Dandel lon and Shady. I'm going to have a look at other peoples' cases against Shady, but from my first read through I wasn't particularly convinced by them thus far. I also realise that I am suspicious. I am going to try to be more active until voting time, though I make no promises since my sister is visiting for the first time in months, and she may not want to sit and watch me filter through forums. Ask me anything you want me to address for sure. I don't do this to pass my scumhunting responsibilities onto others, but because my methods of D1 scumhunting evidently need some work and I do want to contribute as much as possible. I am naturally more timid than aggressive, and I usually become a stronger poster when there is more concrete evidence (flips and night actions), so during D1 it's difficult for me to make strong reads, but I'd like to rise to the challenge. | ||
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