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Dandel Ion
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Dandel Ion
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On August 20 2012 09:01 thrawn2112 wrote: /in I feel for ya, bud. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 22 2012 00:10 marvellosity wrote: Number of votes needed to lynch Alsn = marv how's that for maths So are you implying that you are scum? Cuz it sure looks like it. €: Oh wow, even admitting to cutting throats. ##VOTE DAT DUDE | ||
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I'll be working during the night today, and most likely won't be able to find an internet there. Which means I probably won't post during the first ~7-8 hours of the game. But maybe I will. We'll see. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Because I was "lurking" while I was asleep. He also flipped scum. ergo: mkfuba is SCUM | ||
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Dandel Ion
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My next scumread is ghost. I am a life sized plush dragon. Clearly a scumslip | ||
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On August 24 2012 00:00 thrawn2112 wrote: alright it's time for my first case: the facts: - marvellosity and ghost have already had suspicion cast on them, despite not being in the game - mkfuba votes for Dandel Ion based on pre game banter - mkfuba later tries to provide an out for himself by saying he was just trying to "stimulate discussion" - Dandel Ion for some unexplained reason is willing to accept this response? - meanwhile the host of the game votes mkfuba Conclusion: I think it is safe to assume that the game likely hasn't started yet. Lies. You just try to divert attention. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 24 2012 00:05 Shady Sands wrote: Wonder what it would be like for a bastard mod to start a game without a single mafia member in it, just a whole bunch of one-shot vigis and roleblockers I also want to see a game with just a bunch of different mafia groups and no town (they all think they're the only mafias), where everyone tries to look as "town" as possible. le trollface Too bad this one will only work for a daycycle or two | ||
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Dandel Ion
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This is my second-and-a-half game. If you want to read my first (+1/2) game, it was NMM XXIII, where I rolled vanilla town twice. As I stated before the game I'm at work right now, so I will just post my thoughts on policy for now: First off, considering the effectiveness it had in XXIII, I am strongly in favor of a lurker-lynch policy. Of course, it should primarily be a tool to pressure lurkers into activity, and we shouldn't lynch somebody JUST because he's lurking. But if somebody active seems scummy, and a lurker seems equally scummy, I would probably prefer to lynch the lurker. Note that this is probably only applicable for day 1, since from day 2 onwards, scumreads should usually be strong enough to push through with them. But what I would really like to see is everybody to contribute, and no lurkers at all  Any kind of trolling or lying I would also consider a scum-tell, but always keep in mind that this is a newbie game - in XXIII I tunneled somebody really hard day 1 because I thought he was intentionally trying to sow confusion, when he really was just a... less-than-optimal town player. Try to keep that in mind - judging if somebody plays bad, or plays scummy can be hard, especially if it's his first game and we have no meta to fall back on. On meta, I think it's a good idea for everyone to read past games of other players to get a feel for them, but always consider that we're newbies and meta might change slightly between games too. A little sidenote: please try to be present at day-ends, especially early in the game. Goodnight, town. | ||
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Very pleased with the activity levels so far  Gonna read the thread in detail now. But first: @thrawn: Concerning this post of yours: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=5#88 Do you still want my answer? I can clarify what I meant np, but the topic of lurkers seems almost redundant judging by the amount of posts. Just toss me a quick yes or no. | ||
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@trawn: I did NOT try to suggest we just pick a random lurker and lynch him for the hell of it I DID suggest that somebody that is scummy AND lurky should imo take higher lynch-priority than somebody who's "just" scummy. This is of course within the bounds of reason: If somebody is really really active, but makes several scumslips, I'm not gonna propose we lynch a kinda-scummy lurker. As stated, we probably won't have a lurker issue (most likely thanks to the small 9-person setup), so this is kinda obsolete. @Alsn: On August 24 2012 15:00 Alsn wrote: I noticed that Shady Sands also completely dodged the accusations by Spaghetticus after a post claiming he had to get some work done but has been very busy on TL for the last 2,5 hours. I think it's not generally well-recieved in mafia to argue by using a players activity in the rest of TL. Afair it's not explicitly forbidden in this very game, but it's still a bad argument, and you shouldn't use it. @WeeTee On August 24 2012 15:06 WeeTee wrote: Hi all, sorry for not regularly posting I have Uni commitments and such. I have read through the current content, and every ones filters. It seems to me that everyone has taken a disliking to kushm4sta's quote "Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him." Even for a newbie like me I was like .... But I think that a real scum wouldn't reveal information in this clumsy manner and I know i'm not directing any suspicion there as kush is too easy of a target to pick off. I did however notice that Alsn did put a FOS on Kush; to me this seems like Alsn nibbled at the bait, sensing his opportunity to take a weak player down. [...] I will put a FoS on Alsn for this But it is undeniable that kushm4sta is rubbing everyone the wrong way. Let me know what you think about Alsn Fos-ing Kush, Does Alsn see an easy opportunity to take someone out? and why is he the only one that chirped up for the obvious? You say you read the thread and everyone's filters. Then you state that Alsn is the only one that called out kush? You clearly have either: A) not read the thread B) not understood what's happening. Both are not good signs. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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According to OP, it's just cop + JK that are possible. | ||
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On August 24 2012 15:35 WeeTee wrote: I see my mistake in saying "the only one that chirped up", which thrawn just pointed out. please disregard that comment. .... I don't much care if you think I'm a dick for saying this, but please think about your posts BEFORE you post them. Going all "woe is me" and lamenting is not going to change your filter. For the record, I don't really see what you said as a scumslip right now, and I have no intentions of tunneling an argument for all of day 1 again + Show Spoiler + see NMM XXIII if you want to know what I mean. I argued endlessly with a guy that took my critizism as a personal attack and we ended up OMGUS'ing each other endlessly. I'm gonna let your poor wording rest for now, since I don't want to argue with somebody I don't have a good scumread on. That doesn't help anybody. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 24 2012 17:54 kushm4sta wrote: Wow guys everyone wants to kill me because I'm annoying or something and everyone hates me?? Reading this thread makes me want to cry. Honestly I will try harder but if you kill me let me just say that would be a huge mistake beacuse I am no ordinary townsperson. I am the jailkeeper so yeah you really shouldn't kill me. Why are you claiming blue already? It's a bit early, especially considering nobody actually voted for you yet. Several people have also just recently expressed that it would most likely be better to look at other people for the time being. Please explain to me why you claimed now. Because sadly, right now I'm not inclined to believe you. Also, in claims it usually helps believability to have a breadcrumb. Did you make one? | ||
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On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. That actually is a decent point. But I'm not so sure that him being "alone" is necessarily a town tell either, the way his case was going for the most part whould most likely discourage scum-partners to defend him too much - it's even more probable that he is subtly bussing him, rather than defending. But this is all pretty WIFOM. As it stands, your point, while a good one, looks like a straight-up null-tell to me. But I understand if you see it as a town-tell.. I also think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part. But I will reserve judgement on him, no matter which way, until he explains why he was claiming JK there. I really don't get it, and as I said, it's not very believable imo. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 25 2012 02:21 Shady Sands wrote: First off, reserving judgment on Kush is bad. Lengthening the amount of time we talk about Kush is going to shorten the amount of time we have to talk about more substantial cases like Lvdr. Furthermore, I don't get why on one hand you understand how mkfuba can see the claim as a town-tell but on the other hand act completely confused about kush. No, that's something different. I'm confused about why kush would claim JK NOW. see this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=10#192 I said I understand why mkfuba thinks kush being "alone" is a town tell to him. I disagree, as I said, but it can be a valid point, and I'll keep it in mind. Note that what I talked about: On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. Does not have anything to do with his JK claim. It's about his overall play, and that's what I addressed. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 25 2012 02:24 Shady Sands wrote: Also, I don't get why you still want to offer Kush an out in terms of having him build cases. We asked him to build cases pages and pages ago, and he didn't. Why would he start now when his towncred is even lower? EBWOP @ this part: Yes, i think it's better to wait for his explanation/reads. I think we have enough time in day 1 to hear what he has to say. I don't plan on just ignoring that. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:46 mkfuba07 wrote: This is suspicious to me. We certainly shouldn't focus on one person (kush) if he's not scummy, but we shouldn't be FoS'ing everyone. At this point we actually want to be narrowing down our discussions so that we're not pressed a few hours before vote time. Casting a wide net of suspicion is what mafia want, so they don't have to give strong reads on anyone. Yes, it's bad to suspect too many people just lightly. Lvdr's suggestion to have a "widespread focus" (which doesn't exist, you either focus, a.k.a. tunnel OR your suspicions are widespread) seems a bit fishy to me. It's all good and well to keep an open mind to changes in suspicions, and change targets sometimes. But trying to scumhunt in a "widespread" way looks VERY suspicious to me. In my (albait limited) experience, FoS'ing and lightly suspecting a bunch of people at once is what SCUM wants to do to appear like they are scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + Case in point, Promethelax' play in XXIII. He did just that. For trying to push this kind of scumhunting, my first FoS of the game goes to Lvdr: ##FoS: Lvdr | ||
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