Dwarf Fortress Mini Mafia

On August 06 2012 22:08 marvellosity wrote:


I take it that it was just a moment of negligence that you forgot to mention you wanted to follow your dear VI buddies HiroPro and marvellosity.

On August 08 2012 04:26 Mordanis wrote:
CVSTO LVNA PRO SVVS ABVTOR GENITIVI PROVOCO ET AVT NOMEN SVVS MVTAVERIT AVT DABO SENSVS MEVS EI

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Funnily enough, the first person I'd like to ask a question is Mr. CL himself. In a way, Sciberbia's post telling people not to claim VT doesn't make any sense, especially when he comes out and says that he's a dwarf. On the other hand though, I don't see why you called out that illogical passage. Are you implying that bad logic is scummy? Or are you just poking fun at him?

On August 08 2012 04:35 Mordanis wrote:
He is still implying that he's VT though, or else just asking for scum to kill him. When someone claims town, they are trying to make other people perceive them as VT. Why else would you claim town?

On August 08 2012 04:43 Mordanis wrote:
I'm more than willing to, but I don't see any reason to claim town unless you're trying to come off as VT. If you give me a reason, I'll gladly reconsider if it makes sense. There's no reason to get grumpy ^^

On August 08 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:

Why would you want to guarantee one of our only 2 blue roles' death? Tracker might be "fairly useless", but its certainly more useful alive than dead.

On August 08 2012 05:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
@HiroPro:
Seeing as you seem to want a tracker to claim at some point, how do you plan to confirm him (like an innocent child would be)? I don't think we would get mod-confirmation for a tracker and therefore scum could fakeclaim just as well. Kind of defeats the entire purpose you had when you try to confirm a townie via claiming.

On August 08 2012 06:03 Forumite wrote:

You mean claim, and if counterclaimed (by scum or the real tracker) we kill them both?

I don´t think it´s a good plan. A Tracker is not as good as a DT, but he´s not useless. An innocent child will just get killed if he claims D1. The Tracker can track the one doing the nightkill and the roleblocker, and know if his target is a Doc (no roleblock claim and survives), so basically a DT that misses the one scum that does nothing.

Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked?
(Only usefull in a Tracker+Doc setup, but still)

On August 08 2012 15:52 sciberbia wrote:
HiroPro


In the first quote, HiroPro casts some doubt on Forumite's behavior, but doesn't address shiaopi at all. In the second quote, unless I'm mistaken, HiroPro is actually supporting the idea that shiaopi is scum, by showing how shiaopi has contradicted his own distaste for discussing setup/policy. HiroPro certainly doesn't "disagree" with the case in any way.

On August 08 2012 05:23 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Or it could be something completely different, or even some amazing, irrefutable meta-read that paints Shiao as scum already. I don't see how that could be possible, but without further information, it's sort of a null read on Forumite for now. I think Forumite does deserve some extra attention, as I'm always kind of wary of people who are scheming.

He starts the game off with a really bad post. + Show Spoiler + As the first post of any kind, you have to think about its purpose. Regardless of how a game progresses, it always starts with policy-talking. There is simply nothing to talk about before this. Really, what do people talk about at the beginning of a game if there is no policy talk? I see this as anti-discussion, which obviously helps scum. Furthermore, by posting zero content while coming out against policy, Shiao is trying to grab town cred. Trying to gain town's trust seems more scum motivated than town-motivated. Town wants scum found, doesn't really care if one VT dies in the process. The life of any scum is much more valued though, so survival is much more important. This makes town trust much more valuable to scum than to town. Overall, this is pretty suspicious.

On August 09 2012 12:39 slOosh wrote:
I find it very alarming that general consensus of town seems to be lynch prplhz, not because he looks particularly townish but because the same group of people have not even talked about scib's case against Forumite, nor are pushing an alternative such as Shiaopi or Mordanis in earnest.

1) I grow weary of pointing out Forumite's blatant self-contradictions, but originally, after prplhz's first two posts, Forumite lists prplhz as a nulltell. Then suddenly, without any new posts from prplhz, Forumite wants to lynch prplhz or mord. And later, Forumite clarifies that prplhz actually did seem scummy from the first two posts alone. Blatant contradiction.