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1sd2sd3sd
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
660 Posts
January 08 2006 09:06 GMT
#1
It seems like:

2 hatch > 12 pool > 9 pool > 2 hatch

While 12 pool is obviously the safest, its hard to come back when they get the 2 hatch off. So is there a way to win vs 2 hatch when you 12 pool assuming that the other player make nearly zero mistakes?
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 08 2006 09:22 GMT
#2
no way xd, every single build order is way winable if you play it right. For example 9 pool vs 12, or 12 vs 2 hatch, but not 2 hatch vs 9 pool . But yes, its a gamble and you lose some advantage but thats it.
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mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
January 08 2006 09:31 GMT
#3
7 pool is the shit?
express yourself--madonna
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
January 08 2006 09:54 GMT
#4
i dont know anything about ZvZ but that Jju vs Oversky Proleague game was a pretty sexy representation of how 12Hatch beats 9Pool
Retired BW Noob
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 08 2006 16:58 GMT
#5
yea alot of people have that feeling about the rock/paper/scissorsness of the matchup

i think its more accurate to say

12 hatch early expand > 12 pool > 9 pool > 12 hatch early expand

but even then i disagree very much so

you can pull off a win in any circumstance if you play it out right (except for 9 pool vs 12 hatch early expo perhaps)
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Tycho
Profile Joined April 2003
Netherlands351 Posts
January 08 2006 17:24 GMT
#6
i haven't lost a single zvz YET with 6 pool, seems like the constant stream of lings well just owns!
Just enjoy!
sdpgposd
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom1464 Posts
January 08 2006 19:04 GMT
#7
hahahaha, 6pool vs me and you will die instantly :D

best build zvz is 9 scout, 11 gas, 11 pool 14 hatch if he isnt rushing

lord

lings speed

drone then lings ;o

depends if he goes aggressive, position - etc

but 10 pool gas ling rush can pwn too
mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
January 08 2006 21:24 GMT
#8
7 pool kills your "best build" "hahhaha" to you, fag.
express yourself--madonna
sdpgposd
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom1464 Posts
January 08 2006 21:29 GMT
#9
hahahaha, no.
CCHS
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States614 Posts
January 08 2006 23:49 GMT
#10
4 pool>all
Believe in the Ball! Throw Yourself!
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
January 09 2006 00:23 GMT
#11
Omg on this thread. Should have closed it after Days post.

I use 12 gas 11 pool the most. And I find it more effective cuz those extra gas can make an upg and still compete with the opponents mutta count (correct me please. Its a hell if you face a 9 pool, but can win you the game.)

You can also just make som more muttas
mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
January 09 2006 02:40 GMT
#12
this thread is full of people who bitch and moan when they get 4 pooled. that's all i got to say.
express yourself--madonna
KaasZerg
Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
January 09 2006 07:14 GMT
#13
On January 09 2006 11:40 mitsy wrote:
this thread is full of people who bitch and moan when they get 4 pooled. that's all i got to say.

If they suffer from alot of 4 pools don't play small maps and with a minumum of 4 startingpostions. If they don't find you early they are screwed and have lost the momentum of the game by their minimum economy.
1sd2sd3sd
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
660 Posts
January 09 2006 21:29 GMT
#14
Only one person besides yourself mentioned 4 pool in this thread...
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
January 09 2006 21:59 GMT
#15
12-hatch into cancel hatch at 97% > 9-pool

doesn't it oversky...
Memory lane in nice
Redstorm[MFx]
Profile Joined September 2005
Norway258 Posts
January 10 2006 03:09 GMT
#16
haha lol @ resonate

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