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slOosh
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blazinghand Add: zorkmid xsebt strongandbig hier glasse countdropula majugarzett = 2 more to start! | ||
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slOosh
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 Player Roster 1. Hassybaby 2. prplhz 3. grush57 4. slOosh 5. ghost_403 6. Toadesstern 7. wherebugsgo 8. visceraeyes 9. BroodKingEXE 10. tailsmania 11. Erandorr 12. lazermonkey 13. Hopeless1der 14. jinglehell 15. zephirdd 16. zorkmid 17. XsebT 18. strongandbig 19. Hier 20. Glasse 21. CountDropula 22. MajuGarzett 23. BioSC 24. Synystyr Replacements 1. marvellosity 2. s0Lstice | ||
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slOosh
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I didn't post last night because it was late and I wanted sufficient time to read the thread before inputting my thoughts. Many people aren't actually thinking this through when trying to untie all this stuff. If WBG was scum then revealing that information to town is benefit to us, because scum would already know that, so calling him scum on that basis makes no sense. Both VE and Erandorr are acting in a way I feel like a town mason who has been outed would. So this whole thing gives us decent reads on them. As for WBG, he is null. I want us to start talking about Zephirdd, Toadesstern and talismania. Zephirdd because he is posting but not actually contributing - for instance his lurker-list post follows the whole mason outting thing and his only thoughts are On August 04 2012 01:53 Zephirdd wrote: biosc majugarzett countdropula hier xsebt zorkmid broodkingexe ghost_403 sl00sh These are names that strike me as to no contribution or whatsoever. So far all I got from the thread is town calling town scum because they think they are playing better than the other. Well, maybe there is scum involved in all of this, but I can't differentiate really. Can you guys ALL post please? So, most of the town has posted, and he feels really on the fence about it all, so the best thing to do is give up and move onto new targets? His whole filter is posting disguised as contributions. Zephirdd is today's Lynch candidate #1. Toad and talis are weird due to their interactions with each other. One is, why the heck are you putting stuff in spoilers? The contents of it are clearly written in a way addressing others, yet they are playing this weird lovey dovey send secret messages to each other junks. Toad points out huge problems in talis' mason thought post but doesn't move to call him scum / convince others. Talis responds by doing the same thing. Talis then moves on to ask inane questions. Toad seems to care about what's actually going on in thread so he isn't as bad. Talis is Lynch candidate #2. | ||
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slOosh
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I highly prefer Zephirdd lynch over talis as of now because the former requires much less reading to realize how little there is worth reading. | ||
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slOosh
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Toad seems to care about what's actually going on in thread so he isn't as bad Thoughts on Zephirdd and updated thoughts on Talis? | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:29 JingleHell wrote: Got it, you sort of suspect everyone, which is convenient if someone flips red. And, of course, even though Zeph hasn't contributed much, I can't help but notice Sloosh targets his list post, but doesn't mind yours. It's because they are of a different kind. Zeph's is purely those who haven't posted yet, Toad's is his scum reads. You can hold the latter accountable. The former fits in with his play of posting but not contributing. | ||
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slOosh
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On August 04 2012 04:41 talismania wrote: @sloosh + Show Spoiler + I put things in spoiler tags when they aren't pertinent to the most important stuff happening in the thread. my reply to toad was about theory of the game setup, when at that point we already had actual game shit happening that was more important (wbg calling out VE). First, could you stop spoilering stuff unless they are big posts? Second, what is your actual read on Toad then? Did your discussion with him give you any insights? | ||
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slOosh
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On August 04 2012 04:30 Toadesstern wrote: Okay so I'm doing this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#264 and prplhz answers with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#265 I considered his post reasonable. My post had nothing in it other than some colored names. The normal reaction should be "why?" and he did that. Next thing he does is this himself after "calling me out" on my first post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#295 As mentioned. I obviously thought this is a joke or some reaction fishing to test how glasse reacts or wether or not some idiots join in and yell "yeah, let's lynch that mofu! Totally agree". Why I thought it has to be a joke? Look at glasse's filter. The guy had 3 posts back then. Two posts that read nothing to me and one I actually liked. His "case" involves all 3 posts glass did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#299 1st post: I have never played with glasse and it's his first post. It's useless. No shit sherloc. Let's check the first post of some guys and you'll realize that most stuff is useless or even trollish. 2nd post: I kind of agree with what prplhz posted here, however as mentioned I never played with glasse. If this guy is a vet I never heard about, that's a bad post. If this guy is some new guy, like I care lol 3rd post: I actually liked that post and considered it a possibility myself. WBG could have made both things up, knowing that at least VE was not around to get some reactions. I don't see that as undermining WBG at all. It's saying "hey guys, let's not get to much into this and wait until we get a confirmation from VE and Eran on this". That's reasonable. So again, I considered this to be a joke and thought prplhz is fishing for reactions because there's no way he actually thinks that way imo. But he admitted he actually meant what he posted so that's really weird. Mmm yea, I'd agree with you on the Glasse. Voting first and giving an explanation afterward when asked of the suspect seems backward to me. Furthermore, I dunno why he called me out - I played like junks the game he mentioned so why my input was absolutely necessary seems like a diversion if anything. In either case I'm interested in his updated thoughts so I'll wait on those. | ||
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slOosh
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On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them. VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role. Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum. Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions. prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread. Everything else is a null tell. I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't. Deal with it. Wow, way to discredit me without actually doing it. Could you explain which posts lead you to believe the bolded parts of your post? | ||
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On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote: But I was being cute! My actual read of toad is "ugh". If I had to pick I'd say scum. It seems weird that I got the all red letter designation but I honestly can't remember sitting here now why. I think it was just because he disagreed with me about my thoughts on the masons. Oh and also it was that my post wasn't like my early game post in pyp et al. Which is true it wasn't but I was scum that game and I've kinda gotten lynched in two games since then for doing the same shit (and toad should know that from hosting ssb64) so no crazy plans or ideas from me this time. But I think that honestly you could say I was scum just as much as you could say VE was scum, yet toad has VE in alternating letters and me in all red. _________________ ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. So currently you have Toad as scum. Are you calling VE scum or what? | ||
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slOosh
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On August 04 2012 04:54 slOosh wrote: Wow, way to discredit me without actually doing it. Could you explain which posts lead you to believe the bolded parts of your post? Who are you talking to, and could you explain the bolded parts? | ||
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slOosh
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On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote: Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? And also how you can so confidently claim that WBG believes there is scum among the masons? I don't recall such a post, and even if you can see yourself doing it it doesn't mean that therefore he must believe the same thing - you essentially are putting words in his mouth. | ||
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slOosh
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What post of his makes you assume WBG is thinking in the same way as you? | ||
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On August 04 2012 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I can lynch Zeph. ##Vote Zephirdd slOosh what do you think about prplhz? I thought he was a little tame for what I'm used to when I attacked him...but then again he's playing differently in general from what I'm used to judging from his last couple of games...I'm null leaning scum. What about you? Mmm I got some problems too, that I mentioned in response to Toad's case, and looking over the context, I'm leaning scum. Maybe not day 1 material, but definitely has potential for night 1 or day 2. Take this for instance: On August 04 2012 02:10 prplhz wrote: @Toadesstern My posting should be self explanatory. There was no secret plan, Glasse was being scummy. That said, I'm willing to let him go for now after his latest post explaining his wherebugsgo read. If you still have problems then flesh them out. ##Unvote Glasse On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote: Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make.Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel.Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? There is a disconnect. He treats WBG as town but never vocalizes why, even though multiple players are trying to figure it out at the time. He "lets him go" for his explanation on his WBG read, but that wasn't the initial reason he thought Glasse was scum, only a part - I really doubt that that portion was so critical in obtaining a read on Glasse. Throw in a loaded question and you've got yourself someone really suspicious. That said, I would like to consolidate today's lynch and my preference is heavy on Zeph. If anyone wants to lynch prplhz today opposed to Zeph, it better come with a solid defense of Zeph, or a solid accusation against prplhz beyond what has already been said. | ||
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slOosh
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On August 04 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote: When you defend someone, do you know what that person is thinking? I don't find wbg's actions scummy. I gave you a possible POV that shows you that he wasn't scummy(aka. what I think he was thinking). What else is there to say? Usually, since you can glean thoughts from posts. I've asked which of WBG's posts you have gleaned that thought "there is scum in the masons", and you still haven't given me anything, nor a sufficient explanation. In either case, would you please shed some thoughts on prplhz or any other potential lynch candidate for today? | ||
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slOosh
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People who are "baiting" - I'm not totally familiar with the term but it seems like it is an easy way to explain away suspicious behavior. This stops now. That sort of stuff belongs in PM-land if at all, and I want it out of my thread. @talis: Stop it with the interest in flavor - you are spamming up the thread and if you are town you are doing a terrible job. A whole 24hrs into the day and all I have from you is "Ok with policy lynching". I will push for your lynch before a policy lynch. Proper organized thoughts on actual scum targets rather than screwing around. @WBG: On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: He was town in LV. In either case I'd think him more vig rather than lynch material, and in a town like this where activity is the main problem (opposed to spamming), he won't do much damage. Do you not like any of the other possible lynch candidates brought up so far?Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for. | ||
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As for WBG, I don't really care about the mason thing at all. This is what I care about. On August 04 2012 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote: also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior. Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable. On August 04 2012 21:14 wherebugsgo wrote: For the record both grush and prplhz are 95% scum to me. First is that no one has really talked about prplhz between these two posts, and I doubt it can be a reading oversight because the first quote is a reply to my post which ends with On August 04 2012 12:05 slOosh wrote: I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for. How does prplhz the inferior become prplhz the 95% scum (btw a number that is totally arbitrary and means nothing)? I don't think his is a filter that drastically changes with a some rereads. Nor do I think anyone can seriously find grush so much scummier than say, talis, who is completely oblivious to the happenings in the thread. Furthermore he is flinging mud on names rather than arguments as Erandorr points out, which is something independent of the validity of his mason case. And for everyone else who is using the argument "I would rather lynch someone like grush57 than someone like WBG", well that's some blatant favoritism over the other no-presence lurkers and it just shows how little you care about figuring stuff out now since the same problem will be here tomorrow. If you are town, get off your bum and put some effort in. ##Vote: Wherebugsgo | ||
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