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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 09 2012 03:02 GMT
#49
*wanders through the door*

This seems interesting.

/in
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 16 2012 05:03 GMT
#181
On July 16 2012 14:01 Chezinu wrote:
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On July 16 2012 13:43 Q-bert-Z wrote:
On July 16 2012 13:42 Chezinu wrote:
[image loading]

Image taken from http://pcpenterprises.net


PCP Enterprise... real or fake? That is for you to decided... What exactly do they do? horses? animal health? real estate? what service and products do they provide? Let the game begin...

Dude, the game began the moment you signed up.


aww, why thank you!

Ok, guys... we needs to get this game going with flamewheel or not! (and without protact if necessary!). Let us rise up and form this company of ours! We don't need to be told what to do for I can tell you! Let's get organized. First off, we need a head count for active employees. The most dedicated of the bunch shall be the most vigilant. So, who is awake? Respond if you are here!


Hi chez. I'm ready to give this game a shot.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 16 2012 18:25 GMT
#401
On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?

I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?



My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 16 2012 18:26 GMT
#402
On July 16 2012 18:59 risk.nuke wrote:
Holding people accountable to their day 1 reads is dumb. As always you will want to question people who change their reads drastically or oddly. This however completely-100%-absolutely-have-nothing-in-common-with holding people accountable for their day 1 reads.

Chaos and rockin the boat is equally dumb. I don't know to what effect scum can use their communication but it seems to be very limited. Destroying the atmosphere and towns sense of direction to slightly damage the scums abillity to communicate seems like shooting a mosquito on the foot with a bazooka.

Blazinghand is the one who's spot on.
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On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.

In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.

@Chezinu: Chaos bad

##vote: Chezinu

The only difference between this game and a normal game is everyone needs to scumhunt.


Wait, how is that different from a regular game again?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 16 2012 18:36 GMT
#409
On July 17 2012 03:27 Kurumi wrote:
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On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:
On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?

I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?



My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1.

Why are you active lurking?


wtf are you talking about?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 16 2012 18:42 GMT
#415
On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:
On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there.

cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town

That's bullshit and you know it lol.

you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum

Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well.

This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina.


What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now.

##vote blazinghand
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 18 2012 02:24 GMT
#1100
Why did I vote BH without mentioning even a single word about him? To see what would happen, of course!

Most people's responses were good; just asking me why or making little noises of disgust. The only one who tried to construe it as scummy was Austin the squirming mafia.

Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum.

I get very bad vibes from HiroPro. His posts all feel like he's just putting in his time.

There's a bunch of other possible mafias in my mind, but another day another noose.

The case on gonzaw feels weaker than the one on austin to me. I prefer to lynch BH or austinmcc, but I'll switch before deadline if it's necessary to get a lynch.
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