EPTFirst time playing mafia ^^
Newbie Mini Mafia XX
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
First time playing mafia ^^ | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Thats 12 right? Gogogo First post ever eh? I smell a smurf! Nono, not smurf. I just got requested by a friend to play mafia so I created this account ^^ | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
I just picked this for one of my many warcraft 3 accounts back in the days. Also, what does FoS mean?  | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
| ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
I need to foolproof =( | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
Is the sex toy you are thinking of a "Jackrabbit"? ^_^ | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
Besides, there's nothing wrong with being a little perv, is there? | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
The player Release has made 6 posts (not counting the edit) whereas only two are of value, or should I say gives to impression of being of value. In his first post he accuses Lazer of what he himself (or she/herself) is doing, creating a post full of fluff. Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. While it is correct there was no indication that someone would fakeclaim, nor was there an indication that someone wouldn't. You simply take his post and blow it out of proportion, even claiming it is bringing the town a step backwards. The bolded part here is essential further down in my post, keep it on mind. After this statement Release proceeds to vote against Lazermonkey and then say this Yourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Is it not odd that someone writes a fairly long post saying one person is scummy, even voting for said person, and then end it with an uncalled for accusation another person without posting any basis for this accusation. Now let's move on to the next post. Why are you promoting your first post as a discussion starter? It isn't. It is an attempt to brainwash unsuspecting townies and get us talking about useless things. I commend him for shutting your down your post with this authority. Here we bring the accusations up a notch, even claiming the post to be an attempt of brainwashing and discussing useless things. So what is useless things? Let's look a little further down in Release's second post: In terms of day1, i don't think setting a tone on lynching lurkers is necessarily a bad thing. should we decide on lynching a lurker, the lurkers will feel a need to speak up in order to avoid getting the lynch. In other words, saying "let's lynch lurkers" promotes discussion. And "to make a point" states exactly that. "speak up or die." You say he is promoting useless discussion and trying to bring the town backwards (the bolded part) yet you so easily walk on this path. You have even stated in your second post what you see as useful discussion. Yet you have not discussed what you find useful, instead you discuss quite the opposite. All you have done so far is discuss whether or not the first post is anti-contributing. You have done this in a way which directly contradicts your supposed intentions. In other words; By discussing if someone is anti-contributing you are in fact anti-contributing yourself. FoS Release | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
So it should be "8 posts whereas only two are of value..." | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
Not only does his discussion with YourHarry in the beginning of the game end very abruptly but he also stops posting for quite a while. He and YourHarry stirred up a discussion by YourHarry attacking Hopeless without any substantial basis and claiming for it to be pressue. This leads to Jingle attacking YourHarry for attacking (note: not for attacking Hopeless, just for attacking someone). While this is happening Release makes a case against Lazer. When Release's kicks off and Bassinspace, Hopeless and Hapa joins in the discussion both YourHarry and JingleHell suddenly makes amends and quietly fades out of the argumentation. They both un-vote each other and Jingle sticks around slightly longer to defend himself since Lazer voted for him. Actually, for that matter, I wish we would leave alone all the initial burst of posting, the entire purpose is to get people talking This is a quote from Jingle after he has made amends with YourHarry and the other accusations has begun. Now, JingleHell, why should we forget about the early posts? Are you trying to hide something? Strategies are deployed from the beginning. If the town has the slightest chance in hell this game, then people will see the sense in the responses I've already made. Oh JingleHell please come save us with your mighty biceps. It's pathetic you are trying to convince people you are needed instead of actually contributing and showing us why your presence is so great. I'm much more careful when I'm playing scum. I need to work on consistency, really. Ah, yes. Please do share your mafia tactics with us so we can clearly see these are not the tactics your are currently performing. Currently you are playing in a very arrogant manner and instead of defending yourself claiming that people, as previously mentioned, are stupid and playing poorly. So what you have contributed so far is a discussion which ended abruptly and an arrogant attitude. None of which is very pro-town. I honestly believe this is some kind of strategy. However, as you did take the initiative to end the conversation (YourHarry did) I will further strengthen my case. The subject which JingleHell and YourHarry was discussing was more or less about fast voting and probability of random lynching a mafia on day 1. During this conversation YourHarry "introduces" TMG by summarizing his motives for voting for Hopeless and Jingle's motives from voting on him (YourHarry). I am not sure if you missed it, but I explained my reasoning for placing my vote on Hopeless1der. I will summarize here: 1. Hint of motivation to start a band wagon against a player who may have contradicted himself. (slightly scummy) 2. To see his and others' response (not related to scuminess) Jingle is telling me that I should not have done that. In fact he is saying that I am scum because: A. He thinks I am trying to mislynch. (False) B. I am not participating in case based on substantial evidence (True, but not my fault probably) Now, just saying something is false does not make it so. Saying something is not related to "scuminess" does not make it so either. Frankly, this post makes no sense. Is he trying to "win" TMG over to his side? Well obviously he is since he is saying Jingle is wrong and Hopeless is (slightly) scummy. I am currently skimming the new posts and I find TMG suspicious. While his English may not be perfect, he has completed games elsewhere. I don't think it is normal for him to feel intimidated to play this game in this game as town. So either he's lying, which means he's probably mafia. Or he's telling the truth, which means he's probably mafia as well. Oh so now, when he has solved everything with Jingle, he moves on to throw the person he tried to win over under the bus. After this he jumps on a bandwagon against Hopeless. So what do we have here? Jingle and YourHarry starts a discussion and YourHarry tries to drag other players by propaganda. Jingle and YourHarry then , on YourHarry's initiative, ends their discussion rather abruptly. YourHarry moves on to outright say the very same person he tried to drag into the now ended discussion is a mafia. JingleHell proceeds to say we should forget about early posts and focus on the later ones, that he is needed for the towns victory and basically that everyone who says something about him is stupid and illogical. This is all a play and both YourHarry's and JingleHell's motives are to stir up discussion, make people paranoid (they were the first to start saying everything is WIFOM) and then discreetly leave while everyone else is throwing torches and stabbing each other with pitchforks. Both YourHarry and JingleHell are mafia. HoS JingleHell HoS YourHarry ##vote JingleHell | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
##vote Hopeless Based on information given. If requested to elaborate I will. | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
| ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
| ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
I also think that your logic in giving rabbitz, TMG and Makin town reads is flawed. My case against Mackin already speaks for itself, but rabbitz's last minute vote switch occurred when Hopeless was already set to lynch. Even if he hadn't switched, Hopeless would still have been lynched because he hit 5 votes first. His vote changed nothing. You could even argue that it was an attempt at being on the correct lynch to grab townie cred if you wanted to. Will this is true to some extent, I could also have thrown my vote against Lazermonkey making it 6 votes for Lazer and 5 for Hopeless. So once again, as YourHarry first stated, my innocence lies in the innocence of Lazermonkey. Either both of us are Mafia or both of us are townies. To elaborate on the last statement. If I were Mafia, the one case where a vote for Hopeless would have been even remotely viable for me would have been if both Lazermonkey and I are Mafia along with the now deceased Hopeless. If I were Mafia and not Lazermonkey why would I have voted for my friend to die rather than a townie? If Lazermonkey was mafia and not I why would he have voted for Hopeless rather than defending himself (which he did) and pushing a case towards some other player that has received suspicion(which he didn't)? It's a honest mistake to make, but my vote was in fact deciding in the part that is was not for Lazermonkey. | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
| ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
No, maybe either Lazer or you want to bus hopeless for townie cred if only either 1 of you are mafia? Most of all you won't look good at all had you casted that last minute vote on Lazer if he was townie. I'm sorry I don't understand this. Please elaborate. | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
When Evul voted it was 5-5 with advantage for Hopeless because he reached 5 first, Evul voting Hopeless didnt decide the lynch but secured the lynch What I was trying to say with my last post; My vote did in fact secure the lynch on Hopeless, but not from the aspect you are looking at it. By voting for anyone but LazerMonkey I did in fact decide the outcome of the D1 lynch. It doesn't matter that I voted for Hopeless, since he would have been lynched anyway. What matter is that I did not vote for Lazermonkey since then there would have been more votes on Lazer than on Hopeless. | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
Would the logical choice really be me? Wouldn't it be the one who pushed the case? That's like saying if Hopeless turned townie the logical choice would be to lynch me and not Hapa(who pushed the case against him) | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
the part above the lines is the quote, if that wasn't obvious | ||
|
Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
but look, if you kept your vote on jingle for example, Mackin or Khorrus could "magically" apear and vote for Lazer but by voting on Hopeless, the two of them needed to vote for lazer.. and i couldn't see Khorrus returning That is true. I thought my vote was the last possible. Regardless, it does not weaken my case, it does rather the opposite. | ||
| ||
