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My username hates any type of random or chaotic thinking. When we lynch someone it must be for a thought out reason. Only a logical well thought out reasoning will gain my vote.
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On June 29 2012 11:39 Promethelax wrote:Anacletus, since you didn't answer me earlier I have to assume that you missed my post. What do your notes say? The only reason to hide your reads from us is because you are scum. We, as town, have to win as a collective and that means sharing information. Share your reads with us. This post: "What about you, monk? The color of the hammer next to your name trying to tell us something? Hell, if nothing else, and we end up with nobody really screaming "scum", we should totally ban the pants off of the banling, just for irony." by JingleHell's name really worries me, he seems to content to kill off someone else for 'the irony' which can only be considered scummy. We need to go after someone, not because it is funny but, because it helps town win. Going after Monk without proof is going against Town's win condition. I don't know if JH is scum but that post seems particularly scummy and I'm not the only one to notice it. In fact just after making that post claiming that we should kill someone just for shits and gigs JH has continued to fill the thread with nonsense, it seems to me that he knows exactly what he is doing too, Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 10:06 JingleHell wrote:On June 29 2012 10:05 Intact wrote:On June 29 2012 09:55 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 09:52 NrGmonk wrote:On June 29 2012 09:46 JingleHell wrote:
What about you, monk? The color of the hammer next to your name trying to tell us something? Hell, if nothing else, and we end up with nobody really screaming "scum", we should totally ban the pants off of the banling, just for irony.
Although, Anacletus, I am going to keep that loose eye on you, and one on Myles. I'm not entirely sure why, but something about your posting is setting off... well, not really alarms, more like having a cell phone on vibrate, but leaving it in your other pair of pants, so that mild buzzing sound. Seems pretty scummy. Telling people to lynch a somewhat arbitrary player when I haven't done anything to arouse suspicion. O_O You seem scummy for calling him scummy. Now this isn't going anywhere.. Which is exactly what a scum would be hoping for. A visible post that doesn't progress things.
That originally joking FoS Anacletus is starting to look serious, rather than just a vital conversation starter. See that there? He knows that shitting up the thread benefits Mafia but has done it anyway with these joke votes waiting for one to stick. I think that if one had stuck, as he is trying to make his 'scumread' on Anacletus stick he would follow it through to kill a townie. I think that JH is playing a scummy game and its time we showed him that it isn't that easy to push town around and mislead us. I think JH is probably scum based on his play so far, what do you say?
Im not understanding your logic just because some one said we should lynch someone means hes mafia? What else are we supposed to do at this point in the game we have zero information besides cryptic bantering. I dont think any value can be put into what someone says on the first day.
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On June 29 2012 13:01 Anacletus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:56 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 12:36 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 12:14 JingleHell wrote:On June 29 2012 12:13 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 12:10 JingleHell wrote:On June 29 2012 12:00 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 11:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Anacletus you're actively refusing to participate. Not even neglecting to do so (which I was also doing by joking around), but literally saying
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Dumb jokes aside, that is garbage and scummy behavior for anyone in this game. You would be better off lurking and pretending you weren't here, and even that could be considered suspicious. Our goal this early should be making whatever little reads we can and start building cases. Unfortunately we cannot do that with joke posts. Are you planning on giving us any reads? Right now, you have at best 1 post so far that I don't consider a complete write-off. Everyone has to start somewhere... I'm not actively refusing to participate. I just don't want to throw around accusations because I think that that will be aggressive and more like scum play. I think I'll wait for a few more people to post before I post any reads. This isn't a court of law, it's more like Jerry Springer. You talk to people, you lead into questions that get the discussion going the right way, and you start looking for things to poke at. Waiting for someone else to make a case and then bandwagoning looks pretty scummy too, so you're not doing yourself any favors. I'd be poking in other directions more, except there's damn few directions to poke right now. Yeah I know, I've played mafia before. It's just that refusing to participate is pretty serious and is mentioned in the rules. He wasn't suggesting that type of refusal, he's talking about not working with us, despite these reads, and pages of notes you claim to have. If you're not helping us look for scum, you're hindering the hunt. If you're not with us, you're against us. From what I generally see in mafia, the town is the most active in posting when the game starts, while the mafia generally don't post and lurk a while. I've been posting a lot and I really think it's too early to start calling out scum.
+ Show Spoiler +I said I had 8 pages of notes, that was obviously a joke, I don't know shit, bro! While the bolded may be true it is never too early to start hunting for scum. Share your reads with us. What do you think about JingleHell? Anyone else? If you don't have any notes why have you been filling the thread with trash about your notes? Just babbling helps scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856¤tpage=8#155If you actually thought that this was true... I think JingleHell is playing aggressively which leads me to believe that he is a townie. I only made the one about any supposed notes, the thread has 10 pages. So no, I am not filling the thread with trash about notes. You also said that you had eight pages of notes and profiles on people. While I didn't think that the length of your notes or strength of your reads were what you said they were I assumed that you wouldn't just play around so much. I don't like those posts or the one where you insinuate that scum doesn't post early. I particularly don't like that you lied about how many of these posts you've made. You have played before, that gives you an edge over most of us. We need to work together to find scum, if you are town give us your reads. More information is better for us. What do you think of JingleHell or anybody else, give us a first impression or a gut feeling at least, you must have some thoughts. I already said that from what I've seen the mafia is generally extremely passive the first day, so my general thoughts on Jingle is that he is a townie.
So by that logic filter AmericanUmlaut and Fencer710 are definatly mafia. I dont buy the passive argument its only been a few hours they could just be busy hell they might not have even opened their pms with their role yet.
since the only information we have is the ramblings my top 2 right now are ancaletus and promethelax but i wouldnt put much stock in either right now.
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Im torn between fencer and anceltus. I dont like the way fencer tried to bandwagon onto someone elses logic. On anceltus i dont really know i think he just posts a lot and he kind of clamed up when some of the suspicion came up. Im leaning more twoards fencer but im new at this so i will wait for more of discussion before casting my vote.
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On June 29 2012 22:29 Fencer710 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:28 Fencer710 wrote:On June 29 2012 22:17 iamperfection wrote:
Im torn between fencer and anceltus. I dont like the way fencer tried to bandwagon onto someone elses logic. On anceltus i dont really know i think he just posts a lot and he kind of clamed up when some of the suspicion came up. Im leaning more twoards fencer but im new at this so i will wait for more of discussion before casting my vote. Sorry my views are the same as Umlaut's, and he can say them much better than I can, AND he posted before I was even awake.  My proof here is that I'm posting at 6:28 AM pacific time, and many times during the night before. Check my post history.
I dont understand what you are trying to prove? Once the game started you did latch onto another opinion. Even if you were "asleep" you still latched on.
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On June 30 2012 00:58 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:38 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote:On June 29 2012 08:12 Intact wrote:
I know it's a bit early to try and make a read, however my short list of possible scum is topped by Myles atm. Primarily because it seems like he wants to promote inactivity. It's a loose read but someone had to get this started. I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people. I think Myles is right here, we need to think this through. I'm certainly not opposed to a lurker lynch but if we are going to start targeting a single player it should be for a good reason. Intact, if you think Myles is scummy you should keep a close eye on him and see how he acts see what he does and build a case. We as townies need to work together though we have the deductive power of nine smart (I hope) people on our side, we should try to use that power. I have 3 pages of notes already. And I wrote all of those notes in red ink. Only people who are guilty have note pages written about them in red ink. He must be scum! I'm not too familiar with this game, so is this normal, or plausible, or is this just a joke? Just to clarify, from his new posts, I don't think JH was trying to instigate chaos but rather was doing a good job inciting discussion. It was partly due to his comments that we've gotten this far.
I think its pretty obvious its a joke.......
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Although i dont agree with the line of thinking that got the bandwagon on anacletus, You have to say something anacletus! Ill give you a few more hours before i cast my vote.
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und du stinkst nach eingelegte Heringe
and thats google translate so it has to be right.
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I think Anacletus is more suspicious than Fencer710. I think at this point it is likely that one or the other is likely scum just from the way they are posting. I also buy the defense that fencer gave more than the defense that anacletus gave. I think fencer argument that his actions are that of a noob townie make sense.
so i vote## Anacletus
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Can we get a vote count again pls
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Since it states in the rules that you have to vote for arguments sake:
What happens if you dont vote in time?
If everyone votes does the time limt still have to be reaches or do we immediatly have to enter the next stage?
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On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new  I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D
I would like to point out that you basicaly used the same argument fencer made several pages ago that he was asleep and just happened to latch on to antoher persons view. It really doesnt matter if your townie or not but your post is especially bad because not only do you cast suspicion on your self for no reason you are in no way helping the town if in fact you are a townie. If you had simply read the thread you would have seen the same thing happening to fencer.
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im just saying that BobtheLob's post is basically stupid.
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I just was just saying that if you had read what had happened earlier to fencer you would have not stated that you didnt get the chance to post for whatever reason wether town or not. It gets the suspicion on you no matter what because suspicion got casted on fencer for the same exact thing. You dont need any guides or anything to tell you that what you said in that post would cast suspicion on you because we have history of it in this exact.
Since you asked i think you are a bad townie.
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On July 01 2012 06:27 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 06:25 JingleHell wrote:
Well, I was right. Analfetus was innocent. GG.nore, my friend.
Perhaps we should contemplate who looks shady now, in light of the new information. I think we should save discussion for morning. Posting our thoughts during the night just gives the PBUs more information to consider when picking their night hit.
Plus anyone with abilities is going to get a little bit of information. we can overly anlyze everone's post like we did on day 1 and look what that got us. We should wait and move forward with a bit more logic on our side.
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On July 02 2012 08:23 Fencer710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 09:33 Promethelax wrote:Between Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Let's suppose many people neglect to post...if we can't get a decent case going, are we cool to lynch lurkers?
Everyone on board? and Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 29 2012 07:19 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, if many people neglect to post, it's the worst time to lynch lurkers, so why would you suggest it, Myles? Mathematically, if 6 lurk, then, if we assume 100% of the scum are also amongst the lurkers, we're already at a coinflip to get a scum. Very true. At that point its useless to policy lurkers. Now is the time to get this crap out of the way though. I do think we need some kind of policy to follow since the game is majority Lynch. Let's figure out our options and get the scumhunt on. something happened. Something more than the passage of 23 minutes. Looking into the thread it seems that it was JH and his actually bad post that convinced Myles to change his mind. See a 50% chance of hitting scum on d1 is good. I would take that on any d1 since clearly leaving us to our own devices didn't work very well. Since all that happened to change Myles' mind in thread was that one poorly thought out post I wonder if there wasn't something outside the thread that was posted, maybe in scum qt? No proof but something I'm taking into account. He follows this with a lot of useless one-liners and non-committal attacks against both Fencer and Anacletus. After wading through the mess he has made of his posting I also found this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 06:17 Fencer710 wrote:Single words are fine, though. Damn lack of edit button increasing my post count artifically. It's like accidently opening no-gas in a matchup where you normally open gas because you forgot his race, then forced to all-in because you don't know how to open gasless FE. Argh...Thanks for derailing us hard ghost. It's time to get back to scumhunting now? and for future reference, the quoted post is usually seen as a complete waste of time and reason for suspicion. where he says things that sound townie but doesn't do anything with those things. The next post I want you to pay attention to is this one: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts! I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 which brought my attention on to our hopeless friend. From this point on he knows he is being watched and his posts change slightly. After this point Wonder never hard defends himself, instead he stops posting one-liners and tries to look more active, it looks to me like a guy who knows he is under suspicsion and wants to change that. That is not a town trait. When one of us comes under suspicsion our goal should be to act in a pro-town way to hunt scum, instead 1der has posted in a pro 1der way and not attempted to hunt scum at all. So, if that hasn't onvinced you, and I'm not sure it should I would like to give you the crowning jewl in the hopeless1der is a hopeless scum player case. Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:The biggest scumtell I've had so far is the whole mislynch vs no lynch. To that I submit the following: WORST CASE SCENARIO No Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +
Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
No Lynch, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 8 Town, 3 Scum (37.5% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch
(Mis)Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
Lynch Town, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 7 Town, 3 Scum (42.8% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch) Conclusion: Mislynch Bad. No Lynch Worse. On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
SNIP
My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch. WTF YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS WHY AM I DEFENDING MYSELF TO YOU?? Let's look at his conclusion: it is bad to have a no lynch because if we kill of a town statistics suggests our next random lynch will be more likely to hit scum. Remember before this game started I said I was sorry if I was dumber than two rocks making love? I now present you with one of the two rocks required. Hopeless is either scum or playing an anti-town game because he has no idea what he is doing. Since the rest of us newbs figured it out I would guess it is the former rather than the latter. EBWOP: Holy *** I completely missed this post. I think it was because I was tired yesterday; I was up early, and I stayed up until around 8PM PDT last night before finally going to bed. :/ (check post history if you think I'm lying) I believe he has also completely ignored Intact as well, and vice versa. This makes me even more certain that they are Mafia. ##Vote Hopeless1der
Before we go so willy nilly with our votes and put hopeless on the execution block we should at least wait to see what intact has to say. Hopeless brought up some good points and there is no reason to rush to vote since we have so much time on our hands. Lets get all the information we can before voting.
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Can posts by users in game outside this thread be refrenced?
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