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I, Milton of the Kram, do solemnly swear to avoid sucking this game. If prplhz, in his knowledge and wisdom, should gaze upon my soul and see scumminess, then I swear not to stupidly scumslip Day 1. If our almighty OP should divine that I am innocent of all crimes and impart the gift of townieness upon me, then shall I pursue my reads with righteous cause and not leaving them unfinished (damn you Xatalooooooosss!  ).
And yea, did the town then eat the minstrels. And yea, there was much rejoicing.
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On June 12 2012 09:04 suki wrote:
Oh yay s0lstice and sciberbia :D
i hope we're on the same team this time around T__T
I know what you mean. It's great being on their team, fucking terrifying when they're working against you
Good to see so many familiar faces! Can't wait for this to get started so I can feed my Mafia addictio... uh... I mean... enjoy a wonderfully sporting event with you gents!
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Hey all, glad to see we've got a bit of activity already.
In NMM XV we actually had a decent discussion about no-lynches (involving me making a fool of myself) and how they can actually be beneficial in certain setups. That being said, we don't know for certain if we'll have any modkills so we should leave no-lynches off the table until we hit the unlikely scenario that a no-lynch is beneficial for the town.
Town, the best way to contribute is just to get posting. Let everyone know what your thoughts are. Did someone post something suspicious? Let us know about it. Do you think the town is making a bad move? Let us know about it. If a townie lurks he/she is letting down his/her entire team. So don't do it, K? I'm sooooooooper serious. Like sooooper, soooooooooooper serious.
Hey sciberbia, remember this
##Vote: sciberbia
...heh heh heh
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I'm off to a concert tonight. I'll be back later and actually contribute. See you gents later!
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@alan
Just making a bit of a joke. I was referencing our last game together, NMM XV, when I voted for sciberbia in one of my very first posts on D1. You're right though, spending too much time joking around does not promote a pro-town environment. From here on out I'm 100% serious and in scumhunting mode.
##unVote: sciberbia
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Ok I have this thought in my head I need to get out there before I go to bed.
Trackd00r has made some mildly controversial statements regarding reads and no-lynches. I'm assuming he's a fairly experienced player given the knowledge he's demonstrated of the game. If he's experienced enough he would know that making a statement to this effect, "I'd prefer a no-lynch over a lynch on someone who I'm almost sure is town," would catch him some flak. I'm reading this as town... well... town or fucking ballsy scum. I won't immediately clear him of suspicion. Attacking someone for expressing such an opinion on the other hand...
Suki has been painting track's two posts as directly contradictory even though they aren't. This could be an overzealous town play but I don't think it is. What possible motivation could there be for a strong attack on someone with a controversial opinion? Firstly, there's the chance that the town might bandwagon on it. This would be the best possible scenario for suki if she is scum. She leads a bandwagon D1 and she gets a mislynch. Secondly, she gains town cred for appearing aggressive even if she doesn't get the lynch. It seems like a win/win scenario for scum unless of course someone makes the analysis I'm making now.
In summary, the case on trackd00r is pure crap. Making a controversial statement is not a scumtell. I think suki is trying to cover her scumminess by appearing aggressive without making a good case.
Night all! I'll be back in the morning. Leave me something to come back to.
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Alright, I caught up on the thread after I woke up. Here are my thoughts.
suki
I can see her play being overzealous townie, but she hasn't done much to convince me. Another reason I'm suspicious is that she's ignored my case against her. I remember during my game as scum it was very tempting to ignore pressure and just hope that people would drop their cases instead of actually defending myself. I won't be dropping my pressure until I get a satisfactory response. @ s0Lstice, be wary of meta arguments. Scum, especially newbie scum, adapt their play from game to game.
Crossfire99
He's been coaching a lot without putting up any real content besides his weak pressure on austinmcc. I've got my eye on him.
alan133
roflwaffle's case on him was fairly decent. I don't understand why he dropped it. He's "contributed" without putting much pressure on players.
roflwaffles55
I'm suspicious of this guy based on two of his posts. First one is a response to s0Lstice/sciberbia: Sure!
When it comes to lynching lurkers I would agree in that it shouldn't be the focus, and would prefer to lynch someone acting scummy day 1.
As to NL, I am firmly against it and if we can't get a clear majority on scummy-acting folks then we should at least lynch a lurker, especially on D1 and 2.
Notice the eager to please tone of his post. I'm looking at it as a possible scumslip. His 2nd suspicious post: I agree that I may have been a bit too aggressive right off the bat, but I implore you to look at my arguments and his, and take more from it then just an overzealous attempt on my part.
##unvote alan133
There you go, I'm still suspicious, but I may have underestimated the significance of a vote.
Notice how self-conscious he is in this post, especially in that last line. I realize that several players weren't interested in his case, but there is absolutely no harm in keeping pressure on a player until they give you a satisfactory defense. Essentially he backs down from his pressure based on a tiny reprimand from Crossfire. It seems like he's trying to keep himself out of the spotlight.
Mouldy Jeb
Ditto what s0Lstice said. The one thing I have to add is for people to look at his latest post. He apologizes and makes a bare bones defense of his posting that reeks of self-conscious play. He's #1 on my scumdar right now.
Golden + HeavOnEarth
Get in the thread and post more. You guys can start by giving me your opinions on this post.
Obviously all these players can't be scum. I'll be looking through the thread more to see what I can do about narrowing down my list of suspicious players. Right now I'm leaning towards roflwaffles and MJ. I'm waiting to see if suki actually defends herself this time around.
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@ roflwaffles
Ok, I see what you're saying. I thought you were completely backing off of alan even though you've made a decent case against him. I still don't like the fact that you took your vote off of him based on a wrist-slap from Crossfire, but I guess I misunderstood your intent. Since you're still pursuing your case on alan the unvote seems less scummy.
As far as alan133 is concerned I think you may have something. He's put very little pressure on anyone. When he does pressure he seems wishy-washy as hell.
Top two scumreads as of this moment: Mouldy Jeb and alan133.
@Crossfire, Golden, and HeavOnEarth
What do you think of these two players and the cases against them? Are there any scummy players you think we're missing? We need more activity out of you guys. Of the three of you, only heaven's put decent pressure on anyone and even that is difficult to take seriously because he hasn't followed up on his reads at all.
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I'm off to work. I'll post more later tonight. Leave me something to come back to.
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I'm going to back down from my pressure on alan based on this post. ---snip
I took too long just to type out a post (constant googling, spell checking) I only listed two person here because they stood out more to me: I planned to write a summary for everyone but it is too late now. Living at the other side of the hemisphere from the rest of players kind of suck. Will be seeing you guys in 7 hours, off to bed.
It looks like he's a non-native English speaker. I can understand him having difficulty with the language, let alone conveying a tone that pressures other players. If that's the case I would like to hear more of what he has to say. He's shown a willingness to think deeply and consider all possible lines of play that I think may be valuable to the town. By no means am I clearing him of suspicion, but there is a certain townie logic to some of his actions now that I think more about it. I think we have several better lynch targets anyway. I'll outline who I will support for lynch in my next post.
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Ok I've been thinking pretty hard since work and there are three players I would feel good about lynching: Crossfire, HeavOnEarth and MJ.
Mouldy Jeb
I've looked back over his posts as well as his play in the MTG mafia game. A lot of the reason people aren't sure on him is because his current behavior fits in with his previous town meta. I say this is crap and we need to rethink his play. His very last post in the MTG game was this. so am i actually, overall this has been a learning experience
So he used that learning experience to... post the exact same way? This doesn't make sense to me. His last post in that game indicates a desire to improve. If his current play in this game shows anything it's that he hasn't. I'd expect to see some change in his behavior or approach to the game, but I just don't see it from that game to this one. I'd imagine his reaction to getting a scum PM was something like this, "Well I have a pretty good meta to blend in with, might as well use it."
HeavOnEarth
I was checking on the game at work + Show Spoiler +even though I'm not supposed to ... heh heh heh was sort of waiting for MJ to post something after he was like hurr durr ima post soon. i took a look at his previous game though and his posts seem consistent from when he was townie. hes really not helping at all, and definitely still looks scum, but it feels like poor town play rather than mafia.
as for golden im still undecided since he hasnt posted anything what the fuck -_-. why sign up if ur not gonna fucking play
but i guess i doubt hes mafia, i would've expected at least a simple reply to my accusations if he was mafia by now. but it seems he just doesnt give a fuck
@_@ idk. kinda confused at this point
This just seems like an excuse for a lack of activity. He explains that he's waiting on MJ even though there's plenty of other things going on in the thread. He's also frustrated by one lurker (Golden) even though he's played Mafia before and knows that lurking usually happens in every game. The confused tone is what really gets me. I feel like town would push through the confusion and post reads no matter what. His "confusion" looks like an excuse not to post to me.
Crossefire99
His play has already been outlined by sciberbia, so I won't expand on it too much. I'm also really suspicious at the timing of his disappearance from the thread. He hasn't posted since his defense against s0Lstice's probing pressure. It seems like the perfect time to go lurkey if he's scum. He just made his post and then could have hoped that his defense would be enough to keep himself out of further discussion. Obviously it hasn't, but I can definitely see scum motivation in his decision to go silent at the time that he did.
Just to sum up, I feel pretty confident in a lynch of any of these three players. I'll gladly put my vote behind any of them.
In regards to suki, I'm really on the fence about her. My opinion keeps flip-flopping as I read through her filter. I'm no longer confident in my suspicion of her. I liked parts of her defense and then her later pressure on alan, but there are parts I didn't like too. I'm withholding judgement until I have more time to think on her play.
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@ GauldenWahn
I'm loving the nickname. It made me laugh
I'm off to bed guys, please contribute your opinions on the likely lynch candidates.
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Oops, slept in a bit later than I'd planned. s0Lstice, I'm inclined to agree with you. HeavOnEarth looks like the best lynch candidate.
Everybody, I'd suggest you take a look at him. His filter is not particularly long, but I think there is enough scummy behavior there to warrant a vote.
##Vote: HeavOnEarth
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Ok it's time we start consolidating lynch candidates. Right now it looks like people are interested in lynching Heaven,Crossfire, and maybe Golden. Am I correct? I think those are our realistic lynch candidates at this point. I'd suggest everyone limit their votes to these three players unless you think I'm overlooking something huge.
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@ Heaven
There are a lot of people jumping on your case really quickly. Not gonna lie, it's making me a little nervous. Please post some sort of defense or at the very least what kind of reads you have on players whenever you have the time.
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@ s0Lstice + sciberbia
I know about those pre-lynch jitters. It's part of why I play this game. Nothing quite gets to me like the time right before the deadline It's both glorious and agonizing.
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s0Lstice never voted for roflwaffles. He put an FOS on him. His vote should still be for HeavOnEarth
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 Fuck yeah
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This blue part scared the ever loving shit out of me
Memories of hegeo, s0Lstice? heh heh heh
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Hey guys, just got caught up on the thread. Figured I'd throw in my two cents while I've got time.
The case against roflwaffles is the closest I've seen to a slam dunk case in any of the games I've played in. There's not much I can add to it. Proceed to string him up with my blessing unless of course we have a vigi, then just shoot the poor bastard.
Not much to add in suggestions for blue players either. Just breadcrumb your night actions so we can come back to them later.
I'll have more analysis up shortly.
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