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He have several scummy behaviour, the most blatant one being his lack of concrete opinion about RNG. This post is terrible, I can't even tell whether he supports or hates RNG. It looks like VE favours RNG plan since he says "the chances aren't bad for hitting scum randomly", but also tries to weaken the statement with his last sentence and usage of "in theory". But then he agrees with BrownBear that he've "never liked the idea...it always stinks of scum" thereafter. Okay, I could have misunderstood the previous post. Until when he pops in next he is in support of Palmar's RNG website! What happened? Then he wrote this which was exactly what I was waiting for since the RNG debate started. I actually waited a bit before posting to see what opinions others had. What I specifically wanted to look for was the post that encouraged discussion about way to perform RNG, because frankly it is nothing but a dead-end a.k.a. waste of time. The mafia would want to keep the town discuss about RNG as much as possible. Last paragraph of VisceraEyes tries to do that exactly. Note that even as a suggestion it makes little sense; like GreYMisT pointed it out, the suggestion negates out the only benefit RNG vote offers compared to actual analysis- he should know that, having said in his own words, "In theory, removing scum's ability to influence the lynch by agreeing as a town to lynch by RNG". Can I find any townie motivation for his behaviour up til now? Hell no. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Everyone should note that same attempt to misdirect focus of town discussion has been made by GreYMisT two times. I actually haven't read the case on him yet but I will be keeping very close eye on him. As a side note, chaoser seem pretty adamant on using RNG vote. Can anyone tell me if he held similar position in previous game? | ||
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On June 12 2012 05:17 BrownBear wrote: The chief person driving the lynch appears to be MZ himself. | ||
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Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. | ||
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His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read. The tone of post is such that it makes him open for voting both, like Radfield will post his case and will let himself be "persuaded" by VisceraEyes so I wanted to gauge strength of the argument. Then VisceraEyes started picking up bunch of freebie townie points by talking about it with him. I guess I just didn't see reason Radfield would refrain posting his analysis at this critical juncture. He did fix most of the problems I had with him at time of this posting so I'll see how his argument turns out and determine whether to stick with VE depending on situation. I do have to leave for moment but I will be back in order to change my vote if needed. | ||
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Also VE, why are you so concerned about where my vote is parked? As I see it, with Radfield present there is no way Palmar is going to be lynched - which is one thing I definitely do not want to see at the moment - so I see no reason for me to change my vote unless necessary. | ||
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My post in page 19 is not pointless. Like I stated I did not have any scum-read (at least one I believed I could push for with logic) except the fact that I did not want to see Palmar lynched. I also still thought VisceraEyes had reasonable chance of flipping scum while I had null read on MZ, so I tried to determine what to do using vote associatons. At that point BrownBear was unreasonably pushing for Palmar lynch and the post I quoted stood out as weak, passive defense of MZ. Thus I considered the possibility of BrownBear-MZ scum team therefore asked BB to flesh out his response to better. Unfortunately he then went afk for rest of the day so I dropped it. What do you mean I barely mentioned MZ and Palmar? I was perhaps wishy-washy at that time, but one point I made clear was that I did not want to see Palmar lynched. I've repeatedly stated that was my primary objective. I did want to lynch VisceraEyes over MZ, but "I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet" a.k.a. I had no smoking gun that was going to persuade people, since others have dismissed my original argument and there wasn't much else to add. In fact the post you have quoted is continuation of my argument for VisceraEyes lynch. I noticed the suspicious interaction between him and Radfield, and tried to ascertain scumminess of those two by probing his response. Note that I actively start pressuring Radfield for his response thereafter. You bring up MZ repeatedly, but I do NOT have to wreck my brain trying to confirm him alignment. If VE become further scummy, then MZ definitely becomes town. Too bad you dismissed my last post since that's the conclusion you so sorely demand; between those two at least Radfield emerged greatly scummy. Due to time constraints I am not going to be write proper analysis for today. I will post it on June 15, 2 ~ 3 KST. | ||
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Also I don't like the argument "I was just explaining to ace that if I was scummily saving Palmar, the only option was for me and palmar to be scumbuddies" since he apparently would have always pushed for Palmar in that case of situation. However, there could have been any other reason for saving Palmar like trying to look pro-town (as case on Palmar was bad compared to MZ) and contributing. Not only is it WIFOM but it sets up an expectation for Radfield = Scum THEN Palmar = Scum. Remember my previous argument that I had problem with Radfield's retracted attempt at VE wagon because it was entirely possible that he just tried to look like pushing for alternative option, so he looks better when MZ flips green. Radfield could have briefly written why he was initially mistaken when I started pressing him and got the stupid argument over with, but stalled instead, which only makes sense if he actually had no reason for doing so at the time, supporting my theory of him trying to look active without doing anything. That's a theme. ##Vote: Radfield This is my last visit, so me or Radfield (unless someone else messes up in case lynch that guy). Pick wisely. | ||
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