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XERtirips
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States123 Posts
May 25 2012 00:45 GMT
#1
I HAVE MADE A VIDEO TO THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR BUT I DECIDED TO ALSO POST THIS GUIDE.
I am sorry if this guide is a different version than the one in my video.



I no longer also main protoss/terran, and my new offrace is terran and my main is zerg now.
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1.) When you should take your 2nd base-
A.) A standard newbie time of taking a 2nd is usually late, at around 8-10 minutes in.. which isnt bad at all if you are new.. atleast you know how to expand.

B.) The correct time to expand as each race (protoss and terran mainly) is around 4-7 minutes in, terran a 1-3 rax expand, 2-3 rax expand includes pressuring from a rush off of 2-3 raxes. As protoss a ffe, 3 gate robo fe, 1 gate fe, 2 gate fe(same as 2-3 rax fe ) 15 nexus etc.

C.) A standard timing for a third and 4th base is around 5-7 minutes after your natural, your third ofcrouse and your 4th right after, as zerg this can be very different.

2.) Macro on 2-3 base-


A.) Most bronzes-gold do not know a good macro technique I personally love and since I made it up, ofcourse im gonna follow my own rules.
Everytime you expand, get 4-6 more gates/raxes, preferably just 4, unless you are floating minerals.


B.) Try producing supply depots/pylons 3-5 supply before you are psi locked.


3.) Spreading miners to expansions

A.) This personally isnt my own made up rule as I got it from the bnet forums and I thought it was viable, everytime you expand you take half of your miners from your 1st to send to natural and spam miners from there on constantly, when you take your third, you tranfer probes from natural.


4.) Finally proof that your macro is OK

1.) You get maxed before 19-21 minutes with ok upgrades.

2.) Constantly having to produce supply buildings

3.) You have a nice saturated three+ bases and not floating alot of minerals.

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I hope this helped some of you nubs out there lol.

Good luck.
www.twitch.tv/tgo1 Top 8 Platinum Protoss livestreaming, trying to get better =D
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
May 25 2012 00:59 GMT
#2
Overall, it's a nice guide for newbies, but it could really be touched up. Some of my suggestions:

Title change to [G] Improving Protoss and Terran Macro
The voice over is amateur, but it's a valiant effort. I'm confused by the punctuation and usage in your subtitled video though. >.<
Add more content! Show pictures! Add funny captions! Make it a joy to read, instead of a sparknotes version of Liquipedia!
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XERtirips
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States123 Posts
May 25 2012 02:47 GMT
#3
yes I am only 14. it sucks. lol
www.twitch.tv/tgo1 Top 8 Platinum Protoss livestreaming, trying to get better =D
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
May 25 2012 03:12 GMT
#4
From the strategy forum guidelines:
[G] Guide: Know what you are talking about

Read the strategy forum guidelines please. You're breaking a lot of other rules as well.
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