• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:59
CEST 17:59
KST 00:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League21Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War1225.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
Best Cryptocurrency Recovery Company To Recover Server Blocker Terran AddOns placement SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War GG Lan Fest Sofia, Bulgaria [this November] [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos [Recap] Hive ZvZ in MonstarZ vs Dreams [ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League 2v2v2v2 Tournament Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8789 users

TL Mafia LV

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 29 2012 19:10 GMT
#845
Hey guys,

seems like I have a lot of reading to do. I'll try my best and get a fair impression as soon as possible.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 29 2012 22:01 GMT
#939
Ok, so I kind of tried to read all the trillion posts and probably already forgot half of them or mixed up the players.

Some thoughts:

Zealos

I actually would not suspect him to be scum just because he claims VT. In my last (and first) game everyone was pressured to claim directly which - surprisingly - lead to everyone claiming VT. Having only played that game where not claiming was deemed scummy I believe I could have done the same as Zealos. Although he has played several games already and should definitely be more experienced (and maybe know that claming on the start of day 1 is not a common strategy).

What DOES make me suspicious of him is this:
On May 30 2012 05:48 Zealos wrote:
I am a townie, because of this, I am posting under the assumption that everyone knows I'm town.

In this game no one knows for sure whether you are town until you flip green. So why should any of us assume otherwise?

Toad

Regarding his mason claim. I didn't understand why Forumite, VE, ET don't want Toad to tell us his target beforehand? If he declares his target just before the night post, it would be easier to confirm his role and more difficult for him to blame the failed confirmation on the dead player. Which leads me to believe that he truly is mason.

If I remember correctly he was the first one to ask whether or not he should tell us his target before night finishes and no one brought this matter up before him. So if no one asks why should he even bother to mention this and possibly make his life as lyncher harder. Anyway, we will know more about him on day 2 but I do believe he is mason.

I am going to go through Supersoft's filter now and post my thoughts on him later.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 29 2012 22:25 GMT
#947
Are you guys being suspicious of Supersoft's gameplay in this particular game or is it more because you compared it to the other games he played?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 29 2012 22:37 GMT
#950
Ok, I was just confused by those repeated posts of old games.

There is not much I can say to Supersoft that hasn't been already said. I agree that his sudden switch from being fine with lynching Sinsidas (or however his name might be spelled) to this is the worst mislynch of all times is suspicious.

On a side note ... maybe you should create irony tags!
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 14:52 GMT
#1273
Toad, I tried to go back to see your reasoning for a kita lynch but couldn't find anything. Could you please explain?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#1374
I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 20:31 GMT
#1384
On May 31 2012 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote:
I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit.


Do you think Gambit's posts have been scummier? What information do you expect to glean from a Gambit lynch?


To be honest, I think both are at a same scummy level. Posting a big list with names and commenting on them seems like a nice way to fake a townvibe. They don't really address any follow up questions (especially Gambit with his two posts only). Wiggles quoted some people soft defending Gambit which could give us some information if we lynch Gambit. For a lack of a better lynch target I am willing to give a Gambit lynch a try.

I tried to look into some other cases but didn't find anything really convincing yet. I am a bit suspicious of supersoft though:

On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude.


How could you know if PMs were out or not?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 20:35 GMT
#1385
On May 31 2012 05:21 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. - I want a good reason why people aren't voting Zealos. Why is Gambit a stronger lynch?


Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 20:53 GMT
#1387
On May 31 2012 05:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:35 Ange777 wrote:
On May 31 2012 05:21 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. - I want a good reason why people aren't voting Zealos. Why is Gambit a stronger lynch?


Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion?


I've basically answered that in previous posts, check my filter


My bad, I immediately replied when I saw your post and must have skipped that one.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 21:26 GMT
#1414
What's a gay-phone-session from AC????
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 30 2012 21:33 GMT
#1425
So a Mason Recruiter would be able to invite one random player into his playgroup every night?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 14:09 GMT
#1712
I have been out all day and won't be back till later. I should be back before deadline and will try to catch up before the vote!
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 21:08 GMT
#1856
What happened? Everyone is voting VE? Have to catch up from page 76
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 21:57 GMT
#1887
I am on page 86 ... and VE you really don't look good. We still have one hour till deadline right?

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 22:35 GMT
#1917
I am going to put my vote on VE as well.

I didn't like his vote switching and we have no guarantee that VE is vig, won't be roleblocked again, .... I think most of the concerns were already mentioned.

What was not mentioned in MZ's analysis

On May 31 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because like you I need vet support to ly.ch a vet. Nothing strange about that.


Actually I never understood that one. If you don't have support for a lynch, you get some by posting a strong case. It shouldn't be the other way round.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 22:41 GMT
#1922
I should stop clicking "Post" for "Preview" ....

VE was asked why he didn't for push any cases.

I believe this fits very well to the careful playstyle of not pushing for any lynches yourself.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 22:51 GMT
#1939
On June 01 2012 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
I am going to put my vote on VE as well.

I didn't like his vote switching and we have no guarantee that VE is vig, won't be roleblocked again, .... I think most of the concerns were already mentioned.

What was not mentioned in MZ's analysis

On May 31 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because like you I need vet support to ly.ch a vet. Nothing strange about that.


Actually I never understood that one. If you don't have support for a lynch, you get some by posting a strong case. It shouldn't be the other way round.


Vote-switching is part of the game. What if I had landed on you, you would be appreciative of me switching off then right?

Votes are a tool. I use them. I go through this in every game. What matters is what I choose to do with it with the lynch. Today I want to lynch either Kita or Zealos...do you disagree with either of those choices? Then why does my vote-switching bother you?

Getting vets to support your lynch is different from getting other players to agree with your lynch. With normal players you're correct, but vets have a preconceived notion of what scum are likely to do and how they're likely to act, so you have to kinda wait until vets notice the shit on their own. That's why I was so excited when MZ said he thought Kita looked suspicious and why I wanted to see if he was serious today - because with MZ's support I could feasibly get a lynch of Kita rolling. MZ reneged though and ended up targeting me. C'est la vie.


Of course votes are a tool. But you should be confident enough of your vote to be able to stick with a and try to convince people to agree with you instead of switching off of them once someone else makes a case.

I do believe you that vets have a preconceived notion about scum und their behaviour but that does not mean that you can't convince people for a lynch of your choice. Have a look at MZ's case. There was almost no support from vet players (besides kita if I remember correctly) and still he was able to make a good case and point out the flaws in your play.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 22:52 GMT
#1941
On June 01 2012 07:51 Probulous wrote:
Right, well Grey should update his Voting List post because it still says 14. So Ange was the hammer. Thanks Toad.


Actually if Wiggles' vote counts double we should have 16 votes on VE including my vote.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 22:56 GMT
#1951
On June 01 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
I don't think there is anything careful about VE's playstyle.


I meant that he didn't try to initiate cases but chose to go with cases that were already presented.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 31 2012 22:59 GMT
#1967
I don't want a no lynch But we already lost majority by one vote with Hassy and BH switching to Gambit ...
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30164
Horang2 950
Shuttle 887
Rush 391
BeSt 382
firebathero 132
Zeus 111
Hyun 82
Mind 74
910 59
[ Show more ]
Barracks 36
Bishop 27
scan(afreeca) 25
HiyA 24
Trap 23
Rock 20
Aegong 17
Sacsri 13
soO 13
Free 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
yabsab 10
Dota 2
syndereN1673
canceldota51
Counter-Strike
fl0m4297
byalli11
Other Games
singsing2671
B2W.Neo1078
Mlord585
Khaldor449
Beastyqt404
Liquid`Hasu221
IndyStarCraft 160
crisheroes154
KnowMe136
Fuzer 22
Chillindude21
fpsfer 1
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 30
• 3DClanTV 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4593
League of Legends
• Nemesis2986
• Jankos1727
Other Games
• Shiphtur528
Upcoming Events
AI Arena Tournament
2m
Laughngamez YouTube
BSL Open Qualifier
3h 2m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 2m
OSC
21h 2m
IPSL
1d
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 3h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 19h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.