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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 22 2012 00:37 GMT
#15
Signups for this already? Totally joining this as soon as LIII is done.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 02 2012 19:34 GMT
#149
I'm going to vote for a policy lynch immediately after the deadline, so I don't really care.+ Show Spoiler +
But either are good.


Also, I never actually /in'd for this game, so

/in

Everyone, glhf.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 03 2012 15:00 GMT
#286
Well, now, let's see what's going on in this thread!

/confrim
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 03 2012 15:20 GMT
#287
Sinesis rolled scum.

On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:42 grush57 wrote:
##vote: Katina


SWEET A BANDWAGON IS FORMING! I think I'll hop on it without explaining myself!

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:18 grush57 wrote:
Alright awesome we know the aggressive people now.

##unvote Katina


NEVERMIND, they're onto me!

##vote: grush57

I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people.


This post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on."

Good Day 1 lynch.

##vote sinesis
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 15:22 GMT
#714
I swear to God I'm not dead.

Pretty close though. Linear algebra (the real stuff, not that stupid matrix multiplication stuff they teach you in grade school) is the most amazing and difficult subject I've ever studied. It's kicking my ass at the moment.

Catching up on the thread, brb.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 16:08 GMT
#719
Alright! All caught up.

@BH: My cat was probably not on fire. If he was, I wouldn't know. Gave him to my old roommate, and he moved to California. Hope the cat's okay. I'd better check. That said, you were completely right, being gone like this is against my meta, and I wouldn't blame you for shooting me tonight.

I hope to convince you otherwise by actually being useful to the town. I'll make you a deal: I'll help you find the three scum in the game, then you can shoot me. Sound good?



@somethingawesome: It's very strange that you ask me to make a case on Kenpachi. He's been flying under the radar for quite some time now, why did you bring it up out of the blue?

To actually answer your question, this post is the only post of his I've read in this game that doesn't sound 100% kenpachi. I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet. That's not enough for me to think he's scum, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on him for a while.

As far as the marv, layabout, NT scum team? Marv probably rolled scum. In my notes on him, I have that the first thing he did this game was push a BM policy lynch. As much as I dislike paying with BM (sorry bro), I despise policy lynching insane players. See any game I've been in. Pushing a policy lynch on someone like him is an excuse not to scum hunt, and he goes on my naughty list. In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum.

Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play.

Nova_Tera reacted rather poorly to kenpachi's case against him, which struck me as scummy. Not enough to lynch him quite yet, but eough that I would keep my eye on him.

Of the three, I would most like to lynch Marv.



Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days.

Another person I find scummy is grush, who claimed that he called out Katina and Sinani for being scum during day 1. Postmortem bus? Wut?

Also, fuck you, Panera Bread. I want more than 30 minutes of internet during my lunch. + Show Spoiler +
Turkey sandwich and french onion soup today, very tasty.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 16:25 GMT
#721
@SA: I missed layabout doing that on my note sheet. Let me go take a look at that.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 16:34 GMT
#722
Whoah.


On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote:
Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum

Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out)

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum


Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town.


Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense...

katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:14 blubbdavid wrote:
Btw, I sense some kind of BlazingKenpachi party.


Didn't work out so great in Aperture Mafia.

On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum


Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town.


Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense...


You're still not contributing, and being indirect. You're scum.

##unvote
##vote: Katina


come at me bro


Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA.

Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing.

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:
On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.

I assume we still have 24h+ for voting?


Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too).

Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet.
Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D)

For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry.

I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?)
Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done.



I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable!

BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on.

I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy.

Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote.

Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop.

If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun.
Nobody died yet.
But don't worry.
what



On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
extended days?!
hurray!


Both of which of from the very beginning of the game



I honestly can't make heads or tails of this post. Take a close look at it. Is he accusing or defending Katina in this post? Does he find her actions scummy or townie? Can you tell me, because I sure can't figure it out. Instead, it's just a compilations of Katina posts with his commentary on what they say without actually saying anything. And he ends the post with we should lynch BM. Why? I have no idea.

I do not like this post.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 16:37 GMT
#723
And, you're right, I don't like his policy lynch. That was a way out of doing any actual thinking in this game. In addition to this, he later posts this:

On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Can't stay it's real late.

But:

How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence?

Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence?

Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote?

@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".


If he thought Palmar was scum, why didn't he push him? Also, it would be nice if his claim could be substantiated by any of his earlier posts. It can't.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 17:10 GMT
#726
@marv: Stating someone is not posting in game is not the same as calling them scum for not posting in the game. That's why JDub got a star. Jealous?

@grush: It was very convenient. I think the better way to look at this is "he was gone, now he's contributing", but to each his own. And if you think there's no way that you called out your scum buddies on Day 1, you clearly haven't read TLM LIII.

Pointing out people are scummy isn't the same as telling us why. If you had piped up and said "This is why this person is scum", I would give you townie credit for that. You didn't. You randomly voted for her, took it back and said it was a mistake. Now, here you are on Day 2 claiming it was all your idea. It wasn't.

Also, chainsaw much?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2012 17:18 GMT
#728
@marv: I have a confession: I can't actually read.

[image loading]

Pictured above: ghost_403


Alright, I definitely remembered that post against l10f being more aggressive than it actually is. My bad.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 07 2012 19:52 GMT
#940
Blubbdavid's defense in this situation is pretty much identical to what he did in Aperture Mafia. Instead of addressing the case against him, he tries to push another lynch. He rolled scum that game.

Between the fact that Layabout has a good case on him, the fact that he isn't/won't address it, and that he's playing his scum meta to a T, I say we

##vote blubbdavid
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 07 2012 19:55 GMT
#943
Nova_Tera strikes me as idiot townie at the moment, but I reserve the right to chance that to lazy scum if he doesn't start scumhunting.

Grush is sheeping like nobodies business. Not sure what to make of that.

Froggynoddy gets the newbie town pass today for foolishly pushing a lynch on Kenpachi and backing off. Seriously, what?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 07 2012 20:10 GMT
#952
Ghost hunting scum:

On May 08 2012 04:52 ghost_403 wrote:
Blubbdavid's defense in this situation is pretty much identical to what he did in Aperture Mafia. Instead of addressing the case against him, he tries to push another lynch. He rolled scum that game.

Between the fact that Layabout has a good case on him, the fact that he isn't/won't address it, and that he's playing his scum meta to a T, I say we

##vote blubbdavid


Grush hunting scum:

On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote:
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet.

##vote: Blubbdavid

They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 07 2012 20:17 GMT
#959
Blazinghand is sabotaging the town by making them think the deadline is an hour earlier then it actually is!

But seriously, grush was talking about Blubb's play on this page.

@grush: So you think he's going to flip town? What makes you say that?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 07 2012 21:25 GMT
#979
On May 08 2012 05:11 grush57 wrote:
Yeah meta is so much better, especially because he is gonna turn out town by the way he is posting, didn't the day end 10 minutes ago?

They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 08 2012 21:09 GMT
#1033
Town (and scum), I'm sorry I didn't have more time to devote to this game. Til next time, go Blue!
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 19 2012 21:29 GMT
#1535
GG everyone.

Sorry I had to drop out like that. I really would have like to stick around and play this one out.

@blazinghand: Don't feel bad about wanting to vig me when I'm not playing my meta, regardless of my excuses. That's just good play on your part.

@DYH: ghost puns. Clever. Response to this post:
[image loading]


@grush: I'm disappointed that you were actually town. Dude, wut.

@kurumi and @barundar: Thanks agin for hosting, you guys! Really appreciate it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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