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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 21 2012 00:24 GMT
#31
/in

Looking forward to the game. Slow week, and I haven´t been modkilled so far, don´t plan on starting now.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#58
On April 22 2012 07:08 prplhz wrote:
SamuelLJackson needs to sign their posts and you need to show that you're actually two people playing for town. You're likely going to be the strongest town player and I expect that to show in your play and I'm gonna complain about any weird stuff from you because, no.

Not following, why do they need to sign their posts? Doesn´t that defeat the point of having a hydra-account?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 21 2012 22:27 GMT
#60
On April 22 2012 07:17 prplhz wrote:
Uh, because then we know who said what, duh. Do you have a problem with them signing their posts?

When I say "need" I don't mean that it's a game rule or anything, it's just something I want them to do to show transparency. Otherwise there can be big discussion about "Oh, not that wasn't be that was him who said that I don't know what it's about". Signing posts is never going to hurt anyone and it might prevent a great deal of confusion so they're going to sign their posts.

Agree?

Partly agree. It´s good in most situations to know who said what, because otherwise it´s impossible to read their play due to old games. On the other hand, just like in Couples Therapy Mafia, they are both responsible for what the other one do. They can´t blame the other player, so most of the time I´ll ignore who said what.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 21 2012 22:49 GMT
#64
On April 22 2012 07:27 prplhz wrote:
Oh you mean like "they're going to talk to each other and agree on some opinion and then they're going to post it"?

I doubt that's a realistic scenario, they're both going to have opinions and they're not necessarily going to be the same. And even though sandroba can be really persuasive, Toadesstern knows that this game essentially revolves around him. They're both going to have opinions.

We hydra'd that time in that Palmar game and I don't believe we agreed on a single thing?

No matter what, there's no harm in them signing their posts, if they both have the same opinion then they can just sign with both their names or whatever. How do you feel about random lynching day1 based on sports results?

I know, they will probably not agree on everything, I don´t expect them to, but if one of them makes a mistake then the other one is probably just playing better.

I agree that they might as well sign their posts, I just disagree with how we use that information.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 21 2012 22:57 GMT
#65
On April 22 2012 07:37 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Hey forumite, what's your opinion on:

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:08 prplhz wrote:
[...]
SamuelLJackson needs to sign their posts and you need to show that you're actually two people playing for town. You're likely going to be the strongest town player and I expect that to show in your play and I'm gonna complain about any weird stuff from you because, no.


Am I the only one that reads this a little bit like he's treating me as a nice townie already (read: a little more "confirmed" than I should be at the start of a game) when he should have no idea about my alignment yet?

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On April 22 2012 07:27 prplhz wrote:
, Toadesstern knows that this game essentially revolves around him.

That's a troll, right?


I'm going to be around for an hour or something like that, maybe two more hours, it's saturday after all.

---Toad

I think you are reading too little, in the rest of the sentence he says he´s not sure you are town. That sentence says that he thinks you are the strongest part of your team, I disagree, that´s all.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 21 2012 23:03 GMT
#67
On April 22 2012 08:00 MrZentor wrote:
Aww, I was going to say that they needed to sign their posts.

I would like some people such as VE and BL to get in here, as this thread is so dull.

##Vote MrZentor

Why are you voting yourself?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 00:16 GMT
#74
MrZentor, you speak a lot, but say nothing.

After being called out for not doing much you accuse prplhz of being scum out of the blue. Why so defensive? I want you post with a point, not spam. So far you´ve done 2 things of note, accuse prplhz of being scum and vote yourself. Which one do you think I agree with?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 01:06 GMT
#78
On April 22 2012 09:57 MrZentor wrote:
I'm just thinking about how dull and stupid Prphlz is for expecting me to answer such ridiculous questions without being sarcastic.

Forumrite, if you read more carefully, you would see that I didn't "accuse Prphlz out of the blue".

Apart from the one about the picture, the questions prplhz asked deserve answers, especially as he asked about the opinions you had expressed in the thread. You say weird things, prplhz ask questions about it, if his questions are odd then it´s because of how you acted in the first place.

Could you please explain instead, what is it that makes you seriously think that prplhz is scum?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 01:21 GMT
#79
On April 22 2012 10:02 MrZentor wrote:
Also, the more I see Prphlz post, the more scummy he seems.

Note how he copies Forumrite's phrasing exactly.

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On April 22 2012 09:16 Forumite wrote:
MrZentor, you speak a lot, but say nothing.

After being called out for not doing much you accuse prplhz of being scum out of the blue. Why so defensive? I want you post with a point, not spam. So far you´ve done 2 things of note, accuse prplhz of being scum and vote yourself. Which one do you think I agree with?



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On April 22 2012 09:32 prplhz wrote:
MrZentor!

You are being very nonconstructive here, you could easily answer that second question a lot better, instead you focus on how the other questions apparently aren't up to your standards. Calling me scum out of the blue doesn't help anyone either.

There, no stupid questions, just facts.



@strongandbig: I asked them to sign their posts because it would be good for town, I'm sure you agree. This was discussed for the first 5 posts in the game when it's traditionally hard to find stuff to talk about. Then I moved on and encouraged other people to do the same.


Liars do that.


You are grasping at straws. There´s nothing strange about him using the same phrase, he read it a few minutes before. We also have a similar play, teamed up in couples therapy, and are both scandinavian, of course our english might show some similarities.

Now, please clarify, why is prplhz scum?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 02:08 GMT
#81
Discussing a potential problem in the first posts of the game is not a waste of space, it´s there to get the discussion going. Calling out a few players is also nothing wrong with. FYI to me it looks like prplhz is playing exactly as he usually does as town.

You on the other hand are grasping at straws, you make a weak case on prplhz to divert attention from yourself, and you are generally not acting town (why DID you vote yourself?). It´s very, very early in the game, and only about a third of the players have shown themselves so far, but your play so far scream scum.

##Vote MrZentor
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 11:22 GMT
#92
On April 22 2012 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think everyone who has posted so far is town.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, this is me soft-claiming town.


I look forward to hearing from Ace - after his untimely demise in SSM I didn't expect him to be back in a game so quickly. ^^

Please don´t tell me you are town, and don´t tell me you think I am town, the first I can´t trust, the second only make me a target for scum.

Explain, why is MrZentor town? If he acts scum and disrupts the thread, that makes him look scum. I know most scum wouldn´t start the game like he does, because it´s too obvious, but that can´t be a defence of those who actually do.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 13:10 GMT
#96
On April 22 2012 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Forumite
So it is your opinion that MrZentor, as scum, voted for himself only to "get responses from people" and then, as scum, singled out prplhz? In the name of....what? Furthering his scum agenda?

I don't know, I see it more as a townZentor move myself. That's why I disagree.

I think he voted himself to try and give the appearance of him not caring about surviving himself, to show that he´s playing risky, like a town role that can rely on others for his win. He tried to act nonchalant about the game with his first post, not nervous and guilty. When prplhz and I called him out that voting himself was weird, he got nervous, defensive, and did an OMGUS on prplhz, trying to build a case out of nothing to divert attention from himself.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 13:49 GMT
#105
On April 22 2012 22:25 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 22:10 Forumite wrote:
On April 22 2012 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Forumite
So it is your opinion that MrZentor, as scum, voted for himself only to "get responses from people" and then, as scum, singled out prplhz? In the name of....what? Furthering his scum agenda?

I don't know, I see it more as a townZentor move myself. That's why I disagree.

I think he voted himself to try and give the appearance of him not caring about surviving himself, to show that he´s playing risky, like a town role that can rely on others for his win. He tried to act nonchalant about the game with his first post, not nervous and guilty. When prplhz and I called him out that voting himself was weird, he got nervous, defensive, and did an OMGUS on prplhz, trying to build a case out of nothing to divert attention from himself.


That's some mastermind scum theory considering I've only been scum once(Death Factory 2).

I'm almost tempted to vote for him because of his sheer stupidity.

Don´t exaggerate, there´s nothing advanced about this, the only odd thing is you actually going so far as voting yourself, otherwise it looks like standard scumplay, nervous, defensive and fond of counterattacks.

Are you still on about prplhz?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#130
strongandbig, your posts are long, not so long that I didn´t read them, but you could put some effort into putting everything on a subject together in one paragraf, instead of having lone lines here and there.

On April 23 2012 03:28 strongandbig wrote:
Scum would naturally be against a scheme like this, in my opinion. Since I can't see any way it can possibly hurt town, I think we should do it, even if the benefit ends up being small.

Why do you make a situation to help identify scum, then tell scum how to blend in?

Since we´re still talking Masons, I don´t think there´s a rush in claiming. If they claim then scum have more time to pick them off. As long as they claim well before getting lynched then there´s no reason not to wait a few days. To emphasize that, if you are a mason about to be lynched, then don´t wait with claiming. I don´t want to ever see a voteswitch the last 10 minutes, or even the last 30 minutes. If you are too late then we might as well lynch you to confirm your partner.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 20:59 GMT
#136
On April 23 2012 05:33 Ace wrote:
Well I didn't read wbg's last game, but s&b has a point Forumite. I've said it many times in the past that a pair of Masons are the most dangerous roles that a Scum team has to deal with in most games. He also alluded to Masons fast claiming Day 1 in the last game and wrecking shit. I'd be suspicious of any player that doesn't even want to talk about going this route also.

As for your encryption plan that makes sense S&B but Samuel brings up a good point: They aren't guaranteed to be in the game. Let's not make ourselves do extra work that probably won't pay off. For now the fact that anyone even lazily reading the thread knows that a Mason claim is very likely by Day 2 is good enough.

I don´t have the same experience with masons as you. In the games I´ve played, confirmed townies die soon after getting confirmed. In that light, it might be better to wait until day 3 to claim, and breadcrumb in a foolproof way so that if one mason die before the claim, the other one can confirm himself. During D3, when there are fewer people alive, one confirmed makes a much bigger difference.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 21:51 GMT
#141
I think I see what you mean, giving scum 2 more targets will give them way too many to shoot down with all the veterans here, especially if one or two in the mason pair are newbies who would never normally attract bullets. In that case, why wait until tomorrow? Why not claim now in that case? Why tomorrow? We are most likely one less player tomorrow, maybe 2. 2 confirmed among 12 is not far from 2 confirmed among 14, it´s not enough to single out scum.

The way I see it, either we give scum more targets, or we make sure to get as many confirmed town as possible. If the first, then the masons should claim now, if the second, then we wait until day 3 and have the masons and DTs claim all at once.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 22:57 GMT
#146
23 hours left, two questions; Who is scum, and where are all the lurkers?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 22 2012 23:10 GMT
#149
On April 23 2012 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
I have to say, it would be superhandy to have the filters in the player list.

I agree with this.

While you are here, would you mind building on your own filter? We´ve talked about masons the first half of the day, during this time, have you found anyone suspicious?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 23 2012 12:08 GMT
#183
On April 23 2012 20:05 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think Zentor is scum atm. Instead of looking at his scum game, look at Space Station where he was town. He managed to be at the top of numerous people's suspicious list although he was town (and performing very townie actions in PM-land).

Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 23 2012 12:11 GMT
#185
On April 23 2012 20:39 prplhz wrote:
I don't recall saying "HURR DURR" and I don't know how any of that qualifies as "speculation", but alright.

prplhz is back!

Could you please have a beer, and then tell me who is scum?
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