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MajuGarzett
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This is the first game I've played so what would be the best place to get an overview of how everything works? | ||
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MajuGarzett
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On April 23 2012 02:26 jaj22 wrote: There's a list of guides in the fourth post in this thread, labelled "Newbie specific stuff". Note that a critical element of forum mafia is to read and re-read everything thoroughly. If you don't do that, your input as town is likely to be worse than useless. That applies to the game setup posts too. I strongly recommend that you read a few other games before you play too. The recent Newbie Mini Mafia VIII is quite fun and gives you meta on some players in this game. Day 1 is mostly an example of good town play, day 2 is mostly an example of bad town play and day 3 is an example of what happens when you're too tired and and confused to think straight. Ok, thanks for the advice. | ||
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I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:32 ForTheDr3am wrote: Lynch all lurkers is far from everything that has been brought up until now. You even brought up that Zealos is acting a bit scummy yourself, and I am still waiting on Maju's answer on the exact meaning of his latest post. That is a decent discussion ground already without giving people the opportunity to just make empty posts on lurker lynches. I just meant he might be mafia or he might be a detective or medic or something. | ||
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On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote: not much to explain, it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said. You should all be voting, townies have no reason to fear voting. Mafia are afraid to take concrete stances. Everyone vote asap plz. I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway. I would still like to hear the reasoning on me being mafia. @forthedr3am: I realise I may have phrased that poorly earlier, I meant there was no way to differentiate if he was mafia or blue. | ||
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On April 23 2012 10:57 yomi wrote: pointing out that someone is mafia or blue is not helpful because the mafia know who the other mafia are and you are just helping them target blues Yeah, I realise now that I didn't really think that through. You still have not given evidence as to why I would be mafia, that's two posts in a row you've avoided the question. Furthermore, you're pressuring people to lynch someone who you so far have proposed no case against and when many people have not yet posted. To me this hints at you being mafia as you just want to get someone who you know isn't mafia lynched as fast as possible. Also, you say mafia are afraid to take concrete stances when you're original post stated that you were not sure that anyone should be lynched. Initially claiming you may not want to lynch anybody, then launching seemingly unfounded accusations, then pressuring everyone else to follow you blindly seems pretty scummy to me. | ||
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What have I accused you of that is unfounded? You've 3 times accused me of being mafia and 3 times now have given no reason why despite the questioning of multiple individuals. When did I pressure everyone to vote for you? This I agree you did not say outright. However, you did pressure everyone to vote when we have not heard from many players. It seems logical to assume that you would like others to vote for me as well. As only one name (mine) has been proposed to be lynched, it seems quite obvious that you are attempting to get people to lynch me while giving to evidence as to why. | ||
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I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia As for the part about pressuring people to lynch me, I have already admitted that was based off thought process rather than direct quotation. And that's 4 times you have given no evidence as to why I would be mafia. You should either give evidence or admit that the accusation is baseless. | ||
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@Dr3am: First off, I would like to clarify my stance on D1 lynch. I do not think D1 is bad. Done. What I was getting at was that there is no reason to rush it or force it just for the sake of voting. Right? I think I made myself clear now. a) I understand what you are getting at but your wording got me little confused. Also I had no idea how you got from discouraging no lynch to acquiring information from good discussion is the best way, not that I disagree. Next time, please reread your to make sure it makes sense. b) I have Maj as overly eager new player and yomi as eithera scum or an idiot. And nobody else said anything. Your post caught my attention because it sounds as there is a content but there really isn't. It only state that people should vote and good discussion is good which are pretty obvious. c) I'm not convinced that you are a scum yet, but overly eager expression for town "justice will prevail" and seemingly content -less post about D1 lynch tickle me in the ear. Also from my experience, scum always say that they won't be around for the deadline. Conclusion: Dr3am is not a scum and even if he is, there is not enough evidence to make a case. I hope my answers satisfied your questions. Looking at your comments you said that this was your first game, where have you come across before that scum say they won't be present at the deadline? | ||
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On April 23 2012 13:59 yomi wrote: is this not your first game maju? It is, I just wanted to get clarification on the source of Daniel's statement since it could help tell if dr3am is mafia. | ||
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On April 23 2012 15:21 yomi wrote: Because the two biggest sources of info in the game are who votes for who and the discussions that come out of discussing lynching. Then why do you keep avoiding giving reasons for voting for me? If starting discussion was truly your motive you would have done so by now. | ||
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1. yomi His first action this game was to state he's unsure of whether anyone should be lynched but then proceeds to vote anyways. When told that this was contradictory he said that he only meant if we do decide on lynching he would vote for me. While this does make some sense, if he was unsure of lynching why vote right off the bat. He could have instead just suggested whom to vote for and started a discussion about whether I as mafia. He could not and still has not given reasons for his vote. To cover this up he says avoids the questions asked by multiple players and says that townies should have no fear of voting. You should all be voting, townies have no reason to fear voting. Mafia are afraid to take concrete stances. Everyone vote asap plz. He also says that there is nothing to lose by voting me off since if I'm not mafia I'm a dunce. This is untrue as the lynching of any townie brings the mafia closer to victory. So, as we can see, townies should be make sure their votes are sensible and not vote hastily as yomi would have us do. From my point of view, yomi tried to get the one who had posted the most lynched and then when he couldn't give a reason why said he wouldn't talk to me as I was a dunce. Furthermore, he tried to escape suspicion by saying he voted to create discussion. How though did he think his vote would create discussion when he gave no reasons for his vote and therefore nothing to debate? @maju why are you playing so defensively? You have one vote on you. you need 6 or 7 to die. no one else has shown any interest in voting for you. you are in no danger. yet you can't do much other than ask me why I'm voting for your 3 or 4 times in a row. mafia play to survive, town plays to win. Yes, I guess I was posting defensively. I did this not because I was mafia, but because yomi's was the first vote, and Zealos, one of the only others who had posted at that point, was accusing me of being scummy. I was fearful that yomi's ideas may gain traction early on so I was trying to highlight that your vote had no substance. Yomi's next major post was to ask for everyone's history in mafia games. For the record, this is my first game. I suspect this was done as yomi was mafia in the last game and had posted in a similar acrimonious style. He would expect us to think that if he was mafia this game he would have realised the flaw in his posting style and stopped it. This response is shown quite well through oneplus' statement: "But I don't think Yomi is scum because it's simply too dangerous for scum to act in such way, high chance he will be lynch if he randomly target someone in this case who is Maju. " I however believe that he merely did not think his initial posts through and tried to use his previous game to make others think that he is not mafia. Overall yomi gives me a vibe of trying to get rid of townies as quick as possible with as little discussion as possible and that his other posts are just trying to get attention away from himself. As of now I am leaning most towards voting for him. 2. Zealos Looking at Zealos' filter, we can see that he has contributed very little substance to debates. He has avoided both voting and saying that he is suspicious of anyone. His posts have mainly been responses to people saying they are suspicious of him or voting for him. Like yomi, he posts in a rather acrimonious manner though this I don't think can be used as evidence against him as that may just be the type of person he is. My main qualm with Zealos is that he has been posting to avoid being labeled as a lurker but has really contributed nothing as of yet except for It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting" 3. imallinson This I am least sure of as he has only posted once. This post was in part protecting yomi who I strongly think is mafia which inclines me to think that imallinson is mafia as well. Essentially he seems like a lurker protecting a suspected mafia. I am slightly suspicious of dracholich as he has been subtly discouraging voting and has not posted any opinions other than a condemnation of yomi which wasn't all that firm. | ||
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@Maju: Nice post for a "total dunce/mafia" Why do you suspect imallinson over oneplus? Any particular reason? I forgot to examine oneplus' filter I guess. You're right though, he has posted similarly to allin as he's only posted twice and protected someone who I strongly suspect is mafia. I guess oneplus is a candidate for mafia as well. | ||
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I see a problem with this on multiple levels. First off, he offers consensus as the most important thing, but doesn't register that yomi is willing to bow down for this very consensus if it is as such. I think I may be misunderstanding you here, could you clarify this please? He asks for reasonable things from yomi - things he himself does not offer in return, when it comes to st. Daniel for the weak reason of him asking for help in a newbie game, much like he even did before Daniel, and I am "dumbfounded" as to why he did this. The only thing I asked for from yomi was for his reasons why he voted for me. I explained why I said what I did about Daniel, did not vote for him, and am now not at all suspicious of him being mafia. Lastly, that on one hand he offers to Zealos that we should lynch someone, but then uses the exact same reasoning against yomi as suspect. If we should suspect yomi on these things, then it should be more so with Maju. At best Maju is hypocritical. My case against yomi was that he stated he was unsure of lynching then proceeded to be the first one to vote, and then did not give reasons for his vote. I would have had no problems with his vote if he had given reasons. Yes, I guess I was posting defensively. I did this not because I was mafia, but because yomi's was the first vote, and Zealos, one of the only others who had posted at that point, was accusing me of being scummy. I was fearful that yomi's ideas may gain traction early on so I was trying to highlight that your vote had no substance.". Why would he be fearful 1) as a townie. 2) That yomis near no-reason posts would gain traction? To the first point, no one wants to die whether they are mafia or townie. Not only would dying be less fun on my part, dying on the first day would result in me losing experience in playing this game. Also, me dying as a townie would just be conducive to mafia victory. On the second point, two of the only people who had posted at that point were accusing me so I didn't want a bandwagon effect to occur. Because of this I pointed out yomi's lack of a substantial accusation as early as possible. Soon after we find statements such as this: "Furthermore, you're pressuring people to lynch someone who you so far have proposed no case against and when many people have not yet posted. To me this hints at you being mafia as you just want to get someone who you know isn't mafia lynched as fast as possible.", "It is, I just wanted to get clarification on the source of Daniel's statement since it could help tell if dr3am is mafia.", "I just meant he might be mafia or he might be a detective or medic or something."(concerning lurkers, something he doesn't consider is on yomis mind), ": I realise I may have phrased that poorly earlier", "Yeah, I realise now that I didn't really think that through." What was the point of listing my posts if you were'nt going to analyze them. Actions of mine that you have used to say I am mafia have rightly been interpreted by others as my being an overzealous townie. I would also like to point out that Dracholich did not post any suspicions on me until I mentioned I was slightly suspicious of him and then proceeded to formulate a case against me. On Zealos' voting for me He startes by pointlessly discussing policy Should we lynch lurkers? think we probably should.[/quote] (Note, he can't even make his mind up 100% about this. [/quote] I posted this as I was eager to get started and from looking at other threads it seemed a reasonable way of starting converstion. Then he stresses the fact he is new: Though as I haven't played before it may well lead to a poor town atmosphere as you suggested. [/quote] This is something mafia do to try to hide their scummy play. [/quote] This statement was given in response to you saying that lurker lynches create a bad town atmosphere. I was just showing that I did not want to argue with you as I had no prior experience playing mafia. Then he makes this attack on yomi that makes very little sense to me Yomi seems suspicious to me. He says he isn't sure about lynching someone then votes when no one else has. That makes it more likely someone will be lynched. Also, he gave no reasons as to why I should be lynched. This makes me think he's a mafia who just wants to get some townie lynched. [/quote] Then, as a responce to an accusation, he attacks the very fact that someone accused him, as opposed to arguing the point [/quote] I did question the fact that he was accusing me but I also question his reasons as to the vote. This was the only thing I could do to argue the point as yomi had given no reasons. @oneplus: Yes I suppose I was wrong in accusing people of protecting yomi when we do not know yomi's position yet and since your explanation may well be true. I still suspect imallinson though because of his lurking. | ||
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