/confirm

Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 22 2012 04:57 GMT

#497

Just read through the thread:

As of now I see three names being bounced around as scum: Gonzaw, VE, and marvellosity.

In my eyes Gonzaw's bad viglante idea could very well have been an honest mistake. I would think it more scummy, if he tried to turn off that idea later, but he has stuck pretty hard to an already sinking ship. This makes Gonzaw less scummy in my eyes. If I was scum I would have got off that ship once I started racking up votes. VE is kind of the same in this sense he strongly disagrees with Gonzaw's point, pushing his own ideas about claiming. The problem I see with VE is that he hasn't added anything beyond that. If he thinks that Gonzaw is scum he needs more than just a possible scumslip and a bad gameplay proposition. Others have agreed with Gonzaw's OP, but he doesn't think anything of that.

My Scumread:
##Vote: Marvellosity

I've found something he has said particularly scummy. He proposes that he has offered more information than said lurkers(Post). The problem I have is that he didn't have anything to say besides unproductive one-liners. The idea that these posts help the town is very wrong. One-liners are a way to make us think that the poster has more stuff than they actually do. Confusing the town is worse than having a null read due to inactivity. We can't do anything about lurkers, at least not this many, lynching a lurker is pretty much a RNG lynch since we have no information to back it. As of now his only response to why he has yet to post a strong case is that he hasn't got any strong reads. This makes sense, but doesn't give him an excuse to not post. He can still look at accusations and comment on those, or he can scum hunt by pointing out mistakes and tunnel on those. To sum up I feel that Marvell is trying to mislead us into thinking he has the right to not post, which is scummy in my eyes.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 22 2012 04:58 GMT

#499

Should I put my vote on this thread too?

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 25 2012 17:19 GMT

#1315

@Marvel It seems like your posting has gotten a lot better since you started so I am going to take my scum suspicions off you. I still have mixed feelings on your scattershot accusations, but they seem to be based off real facts. You asked me about
Zephirdd/Sentinel/Ottoxlol. Out of the three of them I find Zephirdd pretty scummy, his last minute vote seemed rushed to me as if he was a Mafia trying to jump a bandwagon. Regardless of the fact that he mistimed the vote he made a post like this:

On April 23 2012 07:53 Zephirdd wrote:
Oh it seems I have an hour still. Will reconsider.

I see this post as quite scummy, what does he mean by will reconsider? That statement leads me to believe that he bandwagoned the vote(which he in fact admitted) and is trying to set up a situation where he can say that the vote was rushed later.

On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote:
because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever,
MidnightGladius
marvellosity
PaqMan
--insert unknown scum here--
List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all

Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity?

Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I?

Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore.

This post is also very scummy, what is the point of creating a scum list based on no evidence? He says not to take it seriously, but then why did he post it? He then says that he would have put his vote on marvel, one of the people on this "emotion-based" scum list, seems pretty fishy to me. He easily could have made a scumslip, and is trying to make up a hypothetical situation which makes him look better.

He then flips around the idea of him making a case/analysis, and proceeds to say that he doesn't need to make a strong case against anyone. Recently he has been using more of his hypothetics to convince people to not vote for him. This is WIFOM reasoning and leads me to believe he is trying to mislead the town. I only see one useful post (the one about his reads on the town), but it even has a lot of unsupported conlclusions and blatant contradictions.

I'll have my thoughts on Uon and Ottoxol in my next post.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 25 2012 19:45 GMT

#1323

Can someone point out to me why all this suspicion about Ottoxlol? I'm having trouble finding any big cases against him. His earlier posts look fine to me.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 25 2012 23:54 GMT

#1462

##Vote: Zephird I'm voting for Zephird he's posted enough that he should be able to answer questions but hasn't.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 26 2012 00:06 GMT

#1488

I don't like how Risen was asking about BM's vote, isn't it WIFOM that BM could be bussing so why did he change?

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 26 2012 00:10 GMT

#1491

No, but even the reasoning for voting Zephirdd just because BM was voting him?

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 26 2012 00:18 GMT

#1501

@Risen how frantic were you voting on day 1?

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 26 2012 00:23 GMT

#1507

So why did you switch your vote so much(on day 1)? I am trying to figure out if this was a heat of the moment thing or a scum slip. I think you changed it 3 times and even said that you were fine changing to about 3 other people.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

April 26 2012 14:19 GMT

#1538

On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestlyjohnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.

I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.

Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.

I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.

##vote marvellosity

On April 23 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
I haven't even placed my vote on marv yet >.> It is my intention to do so, though. Everyone on VE should be shot/lynched. I'll vote for anyone on him. Only an idiot would vote for VE and we're better off with all of them dead.

These posts from day 1 are confusing me, you seem to want to push lynching people that are scummy and that will be lynched (okay in my mind). In end you put your vote on Murray though, was it because you viewed your vote useless at this point?