EPTCalling meta change before I get my role: Will try to make shorter posts than in previous games, get rid of over-aggressive play.
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Calling meta change before I get my role: Will try to make shorter posts than in previous games, get rid of over-aggressive play. | ||
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- Day 1, I'll lynch a lurker unless there's good info out. - I've seen 2 games where people jump on the village idiot for their lynches and they're never scum. They're just bad. They're also 1 less townie in the game and 1 waste of a lynch, that helps scum more than us. I want to add something to Nova's 1st post (play together as a team) as well: Playing with the team does not mean bandwagoning like a sheep. Do your own analysis, and if you think you have a better case than what's being discussed then POST IT. | ||
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--- To oneplus: Just 2 questions aimed at you to show you why 1. saying no-lynch is bad, and 2. having a leader is very bad. 1. How do we pressure scum D1 if we agree to no-lynch? 2. What if the ‘town leader’ who makes the decisions for you is actually scum? --- era was very active last game, though more in terms of quantity than in terms of quality. Haven’t seen him post since the start of this game yet, though, so my first vote goes to him. ##Vote:era | ||
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##Vote: oneplus We lost too much time and space arguing about lynch vs no-lynch already. We have to lynch, and that’s it. Enough about policy, now let’s look at people. --- Specifically, the people who sided for a no-lynch, or 'not against'. On therapist: His stance seems to me like an overreaction to last game, but at least there was a developed thought process behind it. Needs to let go of policy discussion and contribute on analyzing people now, though. On oneplus: Asked for a no-lynch in his one and only post, and he’s inactive as well... Can’t read more into him until he posts again. On Solohan: Was already enquiring about the possibility of a no-lynch before he knew his role, so I’m inclined to say he actually thinks no-lynch is a move a town should consider seriously, which makes him... bad. --- On Daymor: In chronological order... It seems I agree with the majority in terms of accepting a lynch on a lurker. A little precision right after, nothing wrong with it: (...) acceptance of a lurker lynch of obviously conditioned on the fact that there are no other suspects out there. No-lynch is talked about a bunch, he seems to think it would be ok: If a no lynch is even possible I don't think it is a terrible outcome (…) And then, he ‘clarifies’ and no-lynch goes from ok to good: To clarify, I would prefer to No Lynch if that is an available option, (…) Now that’s more interesting. This guy’s opinion managed to go from “lurker lynch” to “no-lynch ok” to “no-lynch preferable”. That’s the wrong direction for a townie entirely. | ||
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Might be his poor English preventing him from explaining by himself earlier, but I would have liked him to try. Right now we don’t know what he was really thinking when he started pushing. The second language excuse could be entirely true, or it could mostly be convenient. Still he’s active and not particularly scummy, so I’ll take my vote off of him. ##Unvote --- On Nova_Terra : To me he looks like a guy who’s not worrying at all about his own safety, which is more of a town element than a scum element. - I don’t think we can read anything from “Okay, thank god, not mafia :D”. Guy has been scum 2/3 times. Unnecessary but not inconsistent with being town. - Calling Solo scummy with no explanation: Sounds more like a careless townie move than a scum move to me. Scum are paranoid about getting caught and make cases carefully. I think it was stupid to expect Solo to accuse himself and I also think Nova’s case was weak, but it reads more like bad town than scum to me. - Voting behavior: Spammy, but not scummy. His meta can be described as “hyperactive” as both scum and town so he really doesn’t need that voting stuff to help him look active. Done with no consideration of the fact that this might make him suspect. Nova knows how to not be a target (see both games as scum where he lasted to the end), so why isn’t he doing it this time? It could simply be that he’s scum and he’s failing really, really hard this time… or it could be that he’s town and scumhunting, not surviving, is his #1 priority. Not convinced by the case on him. --- ##Vote: TheRavensName Lurker lynch, in the absence of a really good case. Macheji is less active but he doesn’t seem to be here at all... He might be modkilled/replaced. By contrast, TheRavensName has showed up at different times of the day, but only has a bunch of short posts with zero analysis to show for it. | ||
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I'll keep the vote on you for now, though. You posted opinions but not justifications. | ||
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##Nova_Terra: Pure_SC2, SoloHan50, Daymor, oneplus ##oneplus: Lazermonkey, TheRavensName, Therapist, Nova_Terra, BlueyD ##Crossfire99: Lorant ##Not voting: Macheji, Crossfire99 Oh yeah, I put myself on oneplus because... ##Vote: oneplus It's between Nova and oneplus, it's useless for me to keep my vote on anyone else, and I've got more suspicions one oneplus than Nova. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: oneplus | ||
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Seriously though Nova, stop cluttering up the thread. You've got 6 posts in a row somewhere in there, and that's just wrong. | ||
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macheji VOTE NOW or you get modkilled in 3 minutes! | ||
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On April 17 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote: I might have messed up the deadline, it's not supposed to be untill 1 hour and 50 minutes ... | ||
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Time cycle rules: Deadline is now. Currently the deadline is 17:00 EDT (-04:00), but that is subject to change. Day 1 post: Deadline is in 2:50, at 8KST (you have to count it yourself) On April 14 2012 22:33 risk.nuke wrote: The Day ends in approximatly 57.5 hours. And just now: I might have messed up the deadline, it's not supposed to be untill 1 hour and 50 minutes WTF GM. :-p | ||
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macheji said: (about nova) More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Yeah, you did read wrong. Nova is a spammer, both as town (his first game) and as scum (last 2 games), so I really doubt he said that. --- To Nova_Terra: I noticed something while reading through the last few hours of the thread, and it has to do with your reaction when macheji appeared 4 minutes before what we both thought was the deadline. Context: macheji has not yet voted, and will surely get modkilled during the quickly approaching nightpost. Just compare my reaction… On April 17 2012 05:57 BlueyD wrote: O_o macheji VOTE NOW or you get modkilled in 3 minutes! To yours: On April 17 2012 05:58 Nova_Terra wrote: Beauuuuutiful timing my macheji. a modkill now would suck. It surprises me that your post lacks the urgency of mine. In your mind he’s got 2 minutes to vote and not get modkilled, and yet you’re not urging him to vote. I was panicking there and just hoping he’d hurry up and vote already and not just die stupidly on us. But you’re just... happy he’s there? He’s not exactly saved yet and you’re making no effort to keep him alive. Care to explain? | ||
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I'll be there at deadline to post my thoughts as requested by Lorant. Hopefully I'll have some time before then to take a good look at a few people. | ||
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Nova said: As soon as i saw Macheji post, i immediately assumed he was voting. then when i realized he wasnt, i stratee getting more woreied, which my other posts refect. 1. Macheji hadn’t voted, surely you saw that, so I can only imagine your post means “I thought he’d vote really soon.” 2. I'll read the chat and make a vote, if i have time maybe i'll also try to make a case agaist someone if i see fit. 4 minutes to read the thread and vote, and he was considering maybe making a case? The guy had no idea that the lynch was (we thought) so close. “I’ll vote really soon” was obviously not in his list of priorities, and I can't see how you would think it was. Let's just ask him: To macheji: When did you think the lynch was before you read “vote now!” in the thread? 3. Back to Nova, whose more worried posts share one particularity: They both happen after what we thought was the deadline, when votes are typically not counted anymore. That’s not a convincing reason to me at all. Sounds a bit scummy to me. On Lazer and Nova: Suspicious of both at this point, probably at LEAST one scum between the two. Not sold on both being scum though, I think there’s a good possibility of scum + fool buddy here – I say we look to see if 1 the 2 was trying to buddy up with the other before the connection was pointed out, and lynch that one first. Town don’t try to buddy up because they don’t want to fall on a scum. Scum know their buddy is town. I wanted to read both filters and compare but I gave up for the moment, didn’t have this much time this afternoon. STOP SPAMMING NOVA. You have 6 pages of posts already… -_- On Daymor: On the good side, he’s contributing, but I’m not a big fan of how he changed his stance on both lynch vs no-lynch and Nova vs oneplus, though he did have reasons that don’t seem too far-fetched both times. I’m going to say cautiously leaning town for now, but if I die you guys have to watch for more flip-flops as I’m doing now and see if they mean anything. To Lorant:Council is stupid or scummy, I don’t see the point in it, I don’t see the point in even talking about it besides wasting space. It can’t make people more logical than now, it can only make them more sheepish. You need to tell us why you feel Pure is scummy, by the way. ‘Gut feeling’ won’t do. A lot of good stuff in Pure’s and Daymor’s posts already, so I tried to go where they didn’t. Gotta go right after the flip if I want to catch the next bus back home, will see if I can analyze some more later tonight. | ||
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- Nova is the first of the Nova-Lazer pair to agree to lurker lynch - Nova is the first to call Solo scummy - Nova has his vote on macheji when Lazer puts his on the same player - Nova asks Solohan to find his own suspicious behavior, Lazer says Solo should respond - When oneplus calls them out, Lazer is the one who first turns on the other. These aren’t really buddies. This is Lazer trying to ride on Nova’s wave, and he gets off the wave right as Nova gets suspicious in some people’s eyes. This is not something we can really hold against Nova in my opinion. This is certainly something that makes Lazer suspicious. ---------- Just… Wow, Lorant…After you made a big deal about Nova “betraying the trust” of oneplus and being unfit as leader and trying to take the aforementioned leadership for a 4 man council handpicked by you, you post a joke end-of-night post. I don’t know what to make of this. Looks a bit scummy to me, but on the other hand, that post is such a joke… It’s too easy. You even bring up the stupid council-of-4 again after people have attacked you for it. Please stop fooling around and play the game. Defend yourself. 1. I’ll ask you to explain why you left us nothing (not even a quick list of reads) in case of your death, and I’ll ask you what your current scumreads are. 2. Also, in case it got buried, I’ll say it again: I’d also like you to explain why you flagged Pure_SC2 as scum. I mean, reasons other than ‘your gut’. ---------- To Daynor: That’s an interesting suggestion. We do have a lurker problem, but I think your solution is too radical unless we can get a really good case on a lurker. I remind you, that if we mislynch we’re at 5vs3 (MYLO) tomorrow, and with mandatory lynching MYLO is essentially the same as LYLO. I think we should concentrate on getting the most scummy person now that we have a lot of info out. I also do think we should start making cases on our less active players. I will do that tomorrow, for now I have to sleep. | ||
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