Death Factory Mafia 2

4. There is enough room for 2 toys to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd toy is PoPed into their spot that toy is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule.

On April 01 2012 13:42 Tobon wrote:
Hiya, I too, am a good toy.

How do we want to do this? There was an attempt at using a voting system in Death Factory 1 in order to help coordinate the pushes/pulls, but it fell by the wayside pretty quickly as toys started exploring using their powers. Can we start with a couple easy ground rules, like PoPing someone off the ends of the queue or into the fire zone is extremely anti-town without a majority in favor?

On April 02 2012 01:56 layabout wrote:

Can't we just vote on whether or not to follow it?

If enough people (let's say 2/3rds (13 players)) agree then everyone else would have to agree to follow it. If anybody decides to go against the town's will then we can incinerate them

On April 01 2012 20:52 Dirkzor wrote:
Weird claim by BM. Believing it would make myself or Zentor scum i guess? So lets kill zentor? =)

I don't understand why you would use your power now when you could have used it later to give so much more information.

I don't think we should push anyone to the item and back. It could be worthless and as people have already said it removes reponsibility from the people doing the pushing/pulling. I find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item.

Prplhz: How did you come the conclusion that Snarfs was in anyway confirmed town?!?! Mod confirmed makes even less sense then you just calling him confirmed town?!

On April 02 2012 04:04 Acrofales wrote:


I read that as in favour of getting the item, because a 1:1 trade is (usually) a town win (because more town than scum). It seemed to have the hidden mafia ability tagged on as an afterthought.

But why are you so uptight about it? You seem extremely eager to be taken off my scumlist. I was told last game (repeatedly) that overly defensive behaviour is a scum tell. Are you scum?

On April 02 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:
I'm glad to see everybody is so busy scumhunting today! For the record, is being for the secondary vote scummy or townie? Just so I know, because honestly I cannot use pro or contra the voting system in any useful way as a scumtell.

MrZentor: I think you're basically right. Pushing (or actually pulling) Palmar (or anyone for that matter) is atm a high risk, low reward situation and we'd be stupid to do it. Atm the only reason to push someone right to the edge is because we want to lynch him.

Therefore, anybody proposing to get the item is scum.

Cascade, Nemesis, Palmar, Layabout and Mr.Wiggles: why are you pushing a scum agenda?

On April 01 2012 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Zentor is very protown, but it's hard to really get anything alignment breaking out of it on the first page, pardon my triple posting

On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:


Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown.

On April 01 2012 13:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, let's get this started. I think we should try our best not to wind each other up this game.

Let's try not to throw our pushes and pulls around too liberally, or at least not anymore than we have to if we can. That means that we don't end up wasting a whole bunch of pushes and pulls that have the net effect of cancelling each other out because people disagree.

Though it's tempting, I don't think we should kill more than a couple people each day, barring anyone basically claiming scum. The last game ended with a whole bunch of people dying on day 2, so based on the probability of queue altering abilities, we should probably pull townie looking people, or people we don't want to die forward a little. Maybe keep them towards the middle of the queue, in case there's some kind of queue flipper.

What do you guys think about the item? Partway through day 1, we can decide on one person who we want to get it, and then who we want to push them and pull them back. The thing is, the people who do that have their voting powers nullified, so we need to decide on who would be best to do it to, and keep it organized, so no one "accidentally" goes off the queue.

I'm going to bed now. Feel free to post a lot while I'm sleeping. Don't toy with me.

On April 02 2012 08:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, BM, why do you think Palmar is a good candidate for getting the item? He hasn't done anything to show that he's town this game, and his only post is asking for the item. Considering many of the items can be good for scum as well as town, why do you want to pull him to the item with no reassurance that he's town? Why are you so quick to trust him?

On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote:

Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere.


Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power.


Yeah, so?

I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline?

As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes.

FoS: Nemesis.

(b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

On April 03 2012 01:02 Bluelightz wrote:
Sidenote: just noticed but rofl take out nemesis from the post where I said “nemesis and dirkzor come to mind".please forgive me ;;, and at nemesis's opinion on my role: I could say the same with the guy who can queue-flip (Palmar?)

On April 03 2012 02:05 layabout wrote:
Nemesis' push on Tobon look's very forced. It also does absolutely nothing to help us acheive town's goals.

It appears that risk is the Police car toy. If he is then he should probably tell us before we act because if that is his role then we need to use it to our advantage.
+ Show Spoiler [from game 1] +

We will also need to do something about Palmar.

We also need to decide if Bluelightz is really the person we want to kill since most of the pitchforks were out because of his posts from the first few hours of the game.