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slOosh
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7:00 KST please, or later if doable. | ||
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Also, if deadline is still up for discussion I am all for a later time. 7:00KST if limited to given range, but like~10KST is very cool too. | ||
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##NUKE slOosh, and if I am a vanilla townie / citizen the nuke will be a dud and the day post will say something like 'Terrorist attempt on SU has been thwarted' should I be a SU townie? Power role is anything that isn't vanilla townie correct? And guarantee means that it can't be roleblocked or anything right? Sorry for the many questions, just wanted to be sure / prepared. | ||
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On March 26 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote: I propose we dayvig zelblade before anyone can post Sounds good to me. ##Shoot zelblade. | ||
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I'm somewhat in favor of lynching liars because as it is a closed setup I'm guessing that it gives mafia more wiggle room to make up fake claims and such. VE, could you explain why you said On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: That being said, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if we can't find a good scum candidate (fat chance) and I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play". I don't think lying falls into bad play if that is what you are saying. People don't accidentally lie that often if at all. They make perhaps poor judgements and logical fallacies but within their "logic" they adhere to the "truth" - shouldn't any inconsistencies be scrutinized and seen as suspicious? | ||
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On March 27 2012 08:21 froggynoddy wrote: I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly). It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question. Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play? | ||
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On March 27 2012 10:14 MrZentor wrote: The problem with lynching lurkers this early in the game is that because there are so many mafia, they can easily shift the blame to a non mafia lurker. I think once we kill a few mafia we should lynch some lurkers. We should still lynch a lurker if we have no leads, because it's better to lynch an inactive townie than an active one. You seem to forget mafia's second wincon which allows them to win should one faction (US or SU) be eliminated. Could you explain your previous / current stance on lynching in light of this information? Also, do you really think it is feasible that we can kill a few mafia and still have absolutely no leads that we should default to lynching lurkers? | ||
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On March 27 2012 12:22 Nemesis wrote: Lol, ok one last post before I go to sleep. Stop misrepresenting what I said to defend your scummate: 1. I never said that town should take a unified stance. Just that they should take a stance on important things. 2. I never said we shouldn't adapt. In fact, I explicitly said that stances do change, and you just need to explain it when they change. 3. I never said that discussing policy lynches are important. Sinensis, would you please stop inflating useless topics? Are you calling C_C scum here? | ||
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Just a few quick questions as I follow the C_C case (p.s. is it ok to call you this Cyber_Cheese?): Q for Nemesis On March 28 2012 00:21 Nemesis wrote: Yes, as I was pointing out his posts were quite bad. In addition to what I've said, VE's points are also good. There is no reason for townies to hint at their nationalities as it just makes it easier for scum to fulfill their second win condition. On the other hand though, scum could have plenty of reason to hint at nationalities like fishing for other people's nationalities. Plus, he seems to be avoiding taking a solid stance in here. He's trying to imply that VE is scum, but not outright saying it so that he can avoid taking responsibility if other people push him and it ends up in a mislynch. Blazinghand, I thought at first was chainsaw defending him with his ridiculous posts, but people are pointing out how he acts retarded like this in other games too. Since I've never played with him before, I'll take their word for it that BH is just retarded. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese Two questions here: - I thought his post was ok - could you tell me why you thought it was bad enough that you would consider him scum for it? - How can you trust people and "take their word for it" on BH's meta? What if they were mafia pushing their own agenda? Q for VisceraEyes: On March 27 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote: The important part of this post is the flag. At first I thought that Cyber_Cheese was idiotically claiming his nationality. But after rereading his play in L and seeing his posting so far, I'm finding this less and less likely. If C_C were town, I feel like he wouldn't have included any kind of clue that would hint at giving scum information, as most of the first posts by other players so far have done. It just makes more sense to try and keep scum in the dark. Could you explain the first two lines? I haven't read L (and don't have time to) so I don't understand the line of reasoning - I see he played medic but that's it. Are you saying his play here is subpar compared to his town play in L? Also, is there a particular reason why you posted your first post (that C_C pointed out as guilt ridden)? Q for Zelblade: On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote: I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too. Where did this come from? Personal view: Right now (unless I missed some posts amidst the BH thing) the case isn't against C_C isn't that convincing - or rather, I want to understand the reasons why people are voting him since I can't see it for myself. The flag was indeed weird, but I don't see it as a necessarily scummy soft attempt at fishing for nationalities. I thought the post about stances was helpful and was surprised when Nemesis said that it was bad, and his initial post on VE is null since I too thought about addressing it (for different reasons). Hopefully by night C_C would have responded and I have enough time to catch up fully on the thread. | ||
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I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up. Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks. As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something. I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,. (From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him. Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him? On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote: EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now? I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more. By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with. | ||
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On March 28 2012 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're town you're intentionally sabotaging your team by not doing shit to save yourself C_C. I can't imagine a single scenario where the way you're playing helps town. You're not helping find scum, and you know damn well that your venn diagram of idiocy isn't doing anything to convince anyone of anything. You're trolling, and I hope you're having a good time because you're making the game less fun for everyone regardless of your alignment. +1 ; that is my read on C_C. Also, somehow I've made his scum list. What makes it so off is that at the bottom of this post he invites people to look at Sinensis as suspicious, then with this post, Sinensis is in the others list and I am on the scum list despite the fact that neither Sinensis nor slOosh (that's me) have posted anything in between his two posts, nor has anyone even mentioned our names. I really do think he is trolling and making the biggest mess of town possible before his lynch and setting up all sorts of WIFOM and chaos for the rest of his buddies to use. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese | ||
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Are you saying that VE started up the CC bus and drove it home in order to gain infinite town cred? Or am I mistaken to say that you thought CC was scum (as 2nd option to JW)? | ||
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On March 28 2012 13:37 Blazinghand wrote: No, you don't think I should-- you think I'm scum, right? Unless you think one of me or C_C is town. If VE is bussing CC, how is voting CC a bad thing? Is it that you think VE gains infinite town cred -> unlynchable that you stress this now? | ||
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Sorry for the delayed response - with the CC activity and BH / VE scuffle & your unique posting style it was hard to read it all. I gotta say, I'm leaning town on gonzaw. As I understand, the base of the arguments against him boil down to 1 - Advice not to claim nationality but not addressing CC 2 - Weird posting style 3 - Not scumhunting / sharing scum reads 1 - I feel like he has adequately defended the first point many times over. 2 - This ... is just his style. I don't like it either but that is personal preference, not an indication of alignment. 3 - People are picking on him for 1&2 so understandably most of his energies would be devoted to clearing his name. I think it is clear that the questions he asked were to gain information, and he did produce the case on Bluelightz. He is making sense in general and putting effort into the game (I'd like to see more scumhunting but its totally understandable when you have like 5 people on your case). Gonzaw, out of the people who have called you out, who do you think is most suspicious? | ||
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On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote: sloosh where u @? i need more ppl i recognize T_T its 6am and my group is still working on a project T.T. I'll try to catch up and post tomorrow (or rather, this afternoon) after I've gotten some sleep and find some free time. But yea there is no sense in holding back analysis and staying hush hush at night - I don't get why people would do that. Let's not waste time guys. Post! | ||
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On March 30 2012 01:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I can assure you that your time should be better spent on people other than me c^3. Site meta dictates that I'll probably be shot tonight, and common sense says that you'll probably be shot tonight. Any time spent analyzing whether or not I was maliciously manipulating town yesterday is likely completely wasted. Just FYI Do something useful. Why is such discussion / analysis wasted? How can you be so sure you will get shot, and if you are why aren't you spending the rest of this night fleshing out your reads? | ||
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On March 29 2012 22:47 zelblade wrote: I still dont think bluelightz is scum but I guess I will take a closer look tomorrow when I have more time. I didnt like froggy's posting earlier, though I need to take a look at his filter. Who is this addressing and why did you post this? | ||
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gonzaw has brought up some decent stuff in his case here. But I found him suspicious for different things so I'll address that now. The context is very important here. Please read the posts surrounding his instead of just the filter. On March 27 2012 22:49 MrZentor wrote: C_C looks a little suspicious because of his first post, but I feel that people are reading too far into that. This is written on page 12, after VE posted his initial case on CC and much after CC posted his first post containing the "accusation" and the flag. Then comes a couple of pages of discussion on gonzaw, bluelightz, ET and such. Nothing but one post from Nemesis, who comments the "lack of stance" as suspicious. Watch MrZentor's next post: On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote: I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts. I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now. There is nothing in the thread itself discussing the flag itself. There is no new public content in between his first post in which he says "people are reading too much into his initial post", and "his initial post looks suspicious". He agrees that the flag is really bizarre but did not mention it in his first post - taking a very neutral stance if you will. Then suddenly he agrees with VE that the flag is indeed bizarre, despite the fact that no one has talked about it. He also throws in the bogus last line, indicating that his subtle accusation is also evidence against him, despite the fact that "people are reading too much into his initial post". Verdict: MrZentor initially took a neutral stance, and after observation of how the town reacted to the case decided to help push it along. The lack of public thread discussion and the sharp contrast in his stance against CC suggests that he has talked to other people about it (read. scum buddies). Also his initial post suggesting town lynch lurkers after hitting a few scum is downright weird. | ||
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