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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 15 2012 13:57 GMT
#123
/in if there is room.
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 16 2012 00:21 GMT
#163
On March 16 2012 09:10 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 22:57 Maverick32x wrote:
/in if there is room.


Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 10:23 Sbrubbles wrote:
On March 15 2012 03:48 blubbdavid wrote:
F*ck this shit, /in


Yes, it will be glorious! For the Newbs!

I assume there will be cake?


So we meet again...



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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 16 2012 23:48 GMT
#269
So Drazerk is taking ownership of that kill then?

So I think it would be safe to assume he isn't one of the sleeper agents... so what would be the point of taking ownership of this kill?

For Science...?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 00:14 GMT
#283
How are we going to decide who gets elected?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 01:08 GMT
#320
On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.

##Elect: Velinath



Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot..

I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's...

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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 01:14 GMT
#326
Ooo, I see... that makes way more sense.. so you independently wanted to elect him... Without revealing too much, any other reasons you can give that would cause his election to be beneficial to the town? I agree with Blazinghand that its kind of meaningless currently...
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 15:46 GMT
#487
@Grack


On March 17 2012 11:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:31 gonzaw wrote:
On March 17 2012 11:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 17 2012 11:14 gonzaw wrote:
@Grackaroni

So why do you think I even have an item?

No role related reason. Just a random thought.


Ehmm, that's not ramdom at all.

If it was indeed a random thought, what was the purpose of posting it?

I was trying to make it a little less obvious but sticking to my transparency.
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:48 gonzaw wrote:

Fact: Lemons contain traces of potassium sulfate.


I want my lemons


Why is it that people keep bringing up this lemon thing?!

Couple things:
1) I don't think we should be trusting Draz at all. It sounds chaotic. And I'm on board with JayJay's reasoning.
2) Can we try to cut down on spam?
3) Who is realistically going to running for Wheatley... everyone seems to just have random votes for themselves....
In my opinion.. I think a lot of people who are 'vouching' for other people make me extremely nervous. This indicates that they probably have some kind of connection that we don't know about? This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but rather something that needs to be considered when electing someone..

I imagine we must have a role that does some sort of protection. If Wheatly gets elected, the person should be transparent, tell us what it is, and if we have protection abilities, we can just use it on him?? Or is that too simple?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 15:49 GMT
#490
On March 18 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 18 2012 00:34 Velinath wrote:
On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it.

I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better

Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item.


yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove.


Only ways you can get an item is the following

Kill someone
Lynch someone
Get given it

Naturally I would only get an item through lynching in which case I would own up to it because you already know my kill flavour T_T


I hate getting bogged down into this circular discussion, but the reality is that none of us really know your role or your alignment.

Somehow we are all convinced he is Balrog also, which we really don't know either...
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 15:50 GMT
#492
On March 18 2012 00:48 Velinath wrote:
Maverick, I believe Kenpachi, Blazinghand, and myself are legitimately running for Wheatley.



Now okay, all of those are people that I would never pick for this election... And I know there are more people than that who put their name in.. so why pick you 3?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 16:30 GMT
#506
On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.

##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.


he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN.

If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying.

I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.



zzz -_-

But you're actually pretty right haha. I would rather not get it because I enjoy being town, and I would be afraid of a role switch, and I know I would not be successful at that... (Which may be a reason for you guys to elect me?) Plus, I don't think I'm ready for that responsibility... so I ask not to be elected.... But I think transparency is key...

One issue that I'm going to have coming up is that I'm going out for St. Patrick's day in a couple minutes and I'll like to drop my votes asap.. I hope I'm home before the deadline, but I plan on checking the thread on my phone every so often.. and will vote through there if necessary....

Jay, if you were interested- I'd vote for you.. I've liked all your reasoning so far.. a lot of the other candidates haven't put forth much in terms of their post.. maybe get a couple other people to share their thoughts on why they want/would be a good candidate and go from there?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 16:31 GMT
#508
On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.

##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.


he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN.

If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying.

I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.



Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed.


Why did your win con change?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 17 2012 16:35 GMT
#511
On March 18 2012 01:34 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 01:31 Maverick32x wrote:
On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:
On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.

##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.


he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN.

If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying.

I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.



Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed.


Why did your win con change?


Inside joke my role has been changed in every game I have played on TL Mafia


ahh.. I see.. <slinks away....slowly... >
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 18 2012 02:04 GMT
#646
Ok, i've woken up!! And totally ninja voted really drunk when I got home and passed out...

This is what I voted:

##Vote: Drazerk
##Elect: Velinath

Here is my reasons:

Drazerk- I don't think he is being entirely truthful, and I don't think a town would just kill someone the first night randomly.

Electing Velinath is complete bandwagoning. You say the right things, seem active... and realistically we don't seem to have many other options... there isn't alot to go off of for this election at least right now.. open to change though!
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 17:22 GMT
#1064
All right! I've finally caught up with the thread completely...

I want to get off that 'lurker' list asap...

Specific Thoughts:

I'd first like to look at bit more at this Foolishness/Dirk thing that has kind of been brewing. I know there has been some back and forth on this, but one thing that really stuck out to me, was why did Foolishness target Dirk out of all the lurkers? (myself included). There have been plenty of fluff posts, yet he stuck to him... I also think that his post restriction is probably madeup, but that really shouldn't be something we dwell on, since it really doesn't matter if it is, or isnt....

The death of Drazerk gave us a lot more information than I think we are considering... it appears that there are a lot of roles that exist in this game and different factions. We know there are some Sleeper Cell Agents that exist.. and we know there are 3 "Beings of Great Power" that remain... I have a strong feeling that those 3 beings really want that Destablization Engine, and Ganzow may of painted a target on his back with that latest post... I'd be curious as to what other purpose this item provides.

General Thoughts:

Black Market: I'm still kind of confused as to what the items in the black market are for, and what you mean by 'services' that are available there? Also, @Vel- How are you going to decide who gets what items?

How are we going to start looking for Scum? We've been REALLY hung up on 3rd party/items/roles etc. and really haven't focused in on our TRUE objective?

As for my personal scum reads:
I sadly have pretty much none besides the lurker list, and that isn't very convincing at all for me.. I'm worried that a lot of third party people are trying to get their objectives met (Kenpachi) and don't care about town objectives at all...

Anyways, now that I'm completely up to date (and at work), I can start posting again more frequently!! :D
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 17:57 GMT
#1066
Now that you're here Grack- I want to pressure you a bit more about that lemon comment you made... why do you want them?
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 18:05 GMT
#1067
On March 18 2012 03:51 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 03:50 Hassybaby wrote:
@jayjay: I agree that its not a bad lynch choice. I just hate that all discussion is about Drazerk. We need a second candidate, or we're wasting an entire day. I'm gonna read through every filter and try to find another option.

Also, is Foolishness supposed to be Edward Lear?

Lots of shit will happen in this town.
So before you can show a frown
I ask of you
don't look for clues
and to Chezinu I am not brown.



@Foolishness:
Do you mind elaborating on that 'Brown' statement? I don't get that...
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 18:10 GMT
#1069
On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.


Thanks for elaborating.
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 19:14 GMT
#1113
Maybe you can clear this up for me Blazinghand-
Why are you being so abrasive with everyone? If you are 'town' wouldn't you want to try to get people on your side instead of just acting like a small child?

Right now I'm thinking Kenpachi and Blazing are 3rd party at best.. scum at worst..
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 19:29 GMT
#1128
On March 20 2012 04:15 RayzorFlash wrote:

Show nested quote +
Now on to scum-hunting... Maverick32x... I think you're scum

Starts off the game with a lot of Wheatley talk, while not contributing any candidates or anything whatsoever. However, takes himself out of the running immediately by saying he "likes playing town", while also being wishy-washy as hell so if anyone brings this up, he can say "Oh I wouldn't have minded being Wheatley", AND "Oh, I didn't want to be Wheatley"
...




If I remember correcetly... The discussion was of Wheatly becoming 'evil'.. I didn't want to be responsible for that, and I didn't want to be Wheatley -_-...


Forget about the ninja-vote, but he lurks hardcore after jumping on the two bandwagons with VERY vague and random reasons. The funny thing is that Draz' first-night shot was universally seen as being town-favored. It was all the shit he pulled afterwards that made him scummy/a risk to town, and that's the only point he has for voting to lynch him...


This was St. Patrick's day Weekend... I'm not sure what you expect.... And I never saw that first day kill as 'town-favored' at all...



On March 20 2012 02:22 Maverick32x wrote:
All right! I've finally caught up with the thread completely...

I want to get off that 'lurker' list asap...

Wait, you are posting to get off the lurker list? Getting off the lurker list should just be a byproduct of active posting/being town. As scummy as that seems, I'm willing to forgive that for a bit and move on.



I realize the way the game is played, and I'm transparent with my motives .Yes, I could sit here and read, and think.. and not contribute.. but I realize that if I'm not contributing early on- then my opinions will carry little to no weight when it actually matters.. if I start to get good reads and am confident in something, I want to make sure my voice is heard and that it is influential....


I'd first like to look at bit more at this Foolishness/Dirk thing that has kind of been brewing. I know there has been some back and forth on this, but one thing that really stuck out to me, was why did Foolishness target Dirk out of all the lurkers? (myself included). There have been plenty of fluff posts, yet he stuck to him... I also think that his post restriction is probably madeup, but that really shouldn't be something we dwell on, since it really doesn't matter if it is, or isnt....
If Dirk is scum, this seems like a pretty weak attempt at protecting him. Yes, there have been a lot of fluff posts, but theres no reason for Foolishness not to pressure someone that seemed scummy and had only one post that was pure fluff and achieved nothing at the time. I don't think Foolishness actually expected a wagon to form around Dirk, but it was good pressure, and it did end up getting Dirk to eventually post/contribute more. I don't buy that any sane person could think that Foolishness had no reason for targeting Dirk...



I'm actually NOT trying to protect him... I really think that there is something significant about why Foolishness targetted him. I felt like that point was glossed over, and that it deserved being revisited. I see Dirk posting a lot more now, and that is encouraging??


The death of Drazerk gave us a lot more information than I think we are considering... it appears that there are a lot of roles that exist in this game and different factions. We know there are some Sleeper Cell Agents that exist.. and we know there are 3 "Beings of Great Power" that remain... I have a strong feeling that those 3 beings really want that Destablization Engine, and Ganzow may of painted a target on his back with that latest post... I'd be curious as to what other purpose this item provides.


I think all of these things have been considered already, really, and he ends up using a full paragraph to say nothing really relevant...

I don't think this HAS been said. In fact, I think we have some of the more 'active' people simply being 3rd party people!! Thats why we have such an interest in items, since their wincon seems to be based around it. Especially with the Destablization engine being revealed, I think this is important to keep on the forefront of our minds. If you remember, one of the conditions was that if this engine reached level 5, all the mafia died?! That seems pretty insane and powerful...


How are we going to start looking for Scum? We've been REALLY hung up on 3rd party/items/roles etc. and really haven't focused in on our TRUE objective?

As for my personal scum reads:
I sadly have pretty much none besides the lurker list, and that isn't very convincing at all for me.. I'm worried that a lot of third party people are trying to get their objectives met (Kenpachi) and don't care about town objectives at all...


Alright, wtf. You want people to hunt for scum, but the only analysis you have in your own post is about 3rd party/items/roles... Then you go on to not actually hut for scum and say that so far in the game you have NO scum reads? I find that more than a little bit hard to believe... This part of your post makes me VERY suspicious of you, the only real post you've made so far that had anything of substance, and it seems scummy as all f*ck...

If it was day, i'd have put a vote on you. Fortunately, it isn't, so you have a chance to come back here and actually scum hunt and make me believe you're town. Hop to it...[/QUOTE]


I would like us to refocus our energies- and not allow the third parties to dictate who we lynch/investigate.

I also realize that you're under the gun from pressure of your own, so maybe this is your attempt to deflect it onto someone else?

Either way, if you have any other questions about my posts/motives. Just let me know.
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Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
March 19 2012 19:32 GMT
#1130
Oh ya, let me add one other thing.. and I'm sure I'll get a ton of heat for this as well...

On Saturday- I was convinced that the day/night role over was going to occur, so I wanted to get my votes in so I wouldn't get modkilled.. I was clearly mistaken, but just stuck with it anyways.... I know its easy to say I'm lieing, so I guess its up to you if you believe that or not... but thats what happened...
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