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On March 11 2012 05:17 Nova_Terra wrote: I think i'm a little too excited for this game. Same lol | ||
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On March 11 2012 16:01 FirmTofu wrote: I say we lynch a lurker. Take your pick. 6.) InfernOokami7 7.) koritora 9.) Sbrubbles If they talk, don't kill them. Pretty simple concept I'm sure we can all agree on. Lurkers aren't going to help anyone. While I agree that lurkers are useless, policy lynches are even more useless/scummy. It forces the town down a path that, and allows the mafia to refer back to policy, without ever discusses its opinion. Its best to decide around voting time which is the best path to go, if you're cases aren't fully fleshed out, lynching a lurker is a good option until you can put more pressure and get more discussion out of your suspects. I see that this is pressure to get everyone to start talking, but just putting it out there that I don't think policy lynches should be followed. Also I updated the list to the recent people who haven't talked yet. + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2012 15:13 Seviro wrote: That would be true if Mafia were not killing someone during the night. Currently out of 12 players we have 9 town and 3 scum so if we decide to do a random lynch, we have 75% chance of killing a townie and then on Day 2 we would be 7 town and 3 scum where in a no lynch scenario we would be 100% to lose only 1 person. Of course, it is hard to tell anything this early in the day, we will have to wait for everyone to post their thought before we make a decision but I will state right now that I am 100% against a random lynch because it is really too risky to do it this early in the game. I'm for a no lynch until proven otherwise. I agree that the mafia kill gives you information to a point, but mafia can be clever in their day 1 kill and can purposely tunnel the town in whatever direction they see fit, or kill a townie with no outstanding opinions on cases. This situation leads to no information/ a confused town. At least through a town produced lynch with have control over the situation put pressure on all players to explain their opinions and votes, thus up the discussion, easier to analyse in day 2. Like mentioned above worst comes to worst, if we do not have a strong case going with a lurker lynch at least gets rid of anti-town, has the possibility of being scum, and gives a flip to analyse the actions of others before that vote. Silence, bandwagoning, etc.etc. | ||
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On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote: Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. On the other hand, cosines slip is a bit odd as well. Not defending it makes it very suspicious for sure so I would like to hear a reply from him before I commit to any FoS or further discuss what I think of him. Also for the non-posters I would like to hear their thoughts too. Although remember this is a noobie game and probably many players first, so they might not even know the game started. They should start showing up pretty soon I would say. | ||
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On March 12 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Isnt that exactly what i said? i just want him to start posting and defend himself. I dont/didnt consider FOS a big commitment, sorry if i confused anyone and made it seem like i was gonna vote him. i still think hes totally suspicious for all the things i just said. Re-reading I missed this quote from you "i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything.". Which does show that what you were saying was just a pressure play. The original post however just seemed a bit more aggressive. Initially when I read over it, it just seemed like a newbie mistake, not understanding the acronym. As time goes on, without a response it is getting more suspicious. Can't really take that any further until we get a response. Also there is another odd post that I would like to point out. On March 11 2012 21:43 Eleanthas wrote: Ok. Just got first chance to get on computer. And I think that we should lynch lurker maybe. They are anyways pretty worthless if they don't speak. This is his only post. To put this in context it was about an hour and a half after NovaTerras post about cosine. He comes in posts a one liner, that completely ignores the discussion at hand, cosine case, and wants to commit to lynching a lurker, rather than making a case to lynch. Lynching a lurker is a good town decision if there is no case at the end of the day, but purposing it as the correct option at the start of the day is scummy. Mafia can avoid getting lynched just by being active and letting a townie lurker die and get 2 for 1 on day 1. Either he is just skimming the thread, or trying to take the attention off of the cosine case by just ignoring it. Also its ironic that he wants to lynch a lurker, yet he only has 2 lines above the people who didn't post anything at all. I would like to hear his opinion on the cosine case at hand. Where my head lies right now in terms of suspicion is: 1. cosine 2. Eleanthas 3. Inferookami, Sbrubbles, koritora (aka the "lurkers") Am interested in hearing responses from all the above. Day 1 is a tough day for town and only by being active and making topics of discussion will we be able to weed out the scum. | ||
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@sbrubbles/Nova_terra discussion: I don't think sbrubbles first two posts were fluff/useless they were both effective at pressuring responses out of the two people he directed it at, nova_terra and koritora. The reason I think he was drawn into getting a response out of Nova_terra is because so far he has shown to be an emotional player. Seems to get frustrated/offended if people question his style or motives. That being said, I think that's all I think of him based on his posts now, an active emotional townie. At least his activity spark discussion which is overall good for the town. Sbrubbles getting a response from koritora was important cause it showed he's at least paying attention to the thread, unlike Elenathus who hasn't responded to the suspicions on him. @Elenathus Still hasn't responded to the couple of claims from different players calling him suspicious. A bit scummy, but not enough responsiveness to show true signs of being scum. @Firmtofu I find this case a bit interesting. Posts twice early, to get out of the "lurking" zone. Lets look at these posts: On March 11 2012 11:49 FirmTofu wrote: A no lynch is always better than a lynch unfounded in evidence. Or is it? We can watch the who votes on who. We can observe who listens to who. We can deduce who has a inherently positive disposition to who. I find myself sounding rather like an owl :/ A confusing fluff post. Says one thing, but than questions it in the next sentence. Wishy washy behaviours. Onto post 2. On March 11 2012 16:01 FirmTofu wrote: I say we lynch a lurker. Take your pick. 6.) InfernOokami7 7.) koritora 8.) Eleanthas 9.) Sbrubbles 10.) cosine 12.) Nova_Terra If they talk, don't kill them. Pretty simple concept I'm sure we can all agree on. Lurkers aren't going to help anyone. If they talk, don't kill them. Great, as expected everyone talked. Now what firmtofu? Then says the sentence in bold. Calls lynching lurkers the best option, and talking for the town saying we agree on it. However, at the time, most people were trying to pressure people into talking and actually putting a day 1 case together with an option for a lurker lynch if the cases don't flesh out. Ironically, after he posts this he just lurks. Also before the game he states how he is no n00b and actually participated in many mafia. He is an enthusiast, so his lack of posting shouldn't be because of a noob not reading the thread, or someone who lacks interest in the game. So why the lurking? He may just be busy, but I think the way he assumed/pushed the lurker lynch. And the inconsistentness between his first 2 posts --> Goes from no lynch w/o evidence, to better to lynch regardless, to we should make cases on what people say, to lurker lynch. I'm not saying he's scum for sure, but I think this is suspicious. I am looking forward to hear his response, and will appropriately judge more from there. @activity of the game: we are about 12.5 hours away from voting deadline, and I feel like we need to be more active in order to put a lynch case that most can agree on together. As of now, there is no strong case for a lynch, neither is there a general agreement on the lynch. Only upped discussion and analysis will help us here. | ||
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On March 13 2012 05:09 Nova_Terra wrote: Truthfully i have a feeling that this vote will end up mislynching a townie. I think a mafia would be defending themselves right now. even so, i dont see how we could get much of a better lynch.... If you don't think it has a chance to flip scum, then why are you jumping on the bandwagon to vote? Shouldn't you be either pushing another case or voting for a no-lynch... | ||
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Also yeah, at least it gave some information in the way that it shows how people are voting, when the pressure is on right before the vote, and how it contradicts their statements during the day. As the above posts have said kori starts being suspicious of no-lynchers, then votes no-lynch. Could this be a desperate attempt to have I-told-ya so moment for today? To prove his innocence, that he was not part of the Tofu vote? Seems awfully odd. We will have to hear his response. | ||
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On March 14 2012 02:30 Nova_Terra wrote: I am in agreement with those three being good suspects for a dt to check. I want them (as well as everyone else) to come and post more. The trend seems to be posting some excuse for not posting and then not posting again. I have a couple other minor suspicions right now, but nothing worth noting, until i have a bit more to work with. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote: So, the bandwagon on FirmTofu was rolling to easy. There was no opposition. As scum profits from mislynches, I am sure we will find at least 1 if not 2 scum on the voters of FirmTofu. Here's the final voting stand on FirmTofu again: FirmTofu (7): phagga, Eleanthas, Janaan, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Seviro, cosine, Janaan: He agrees on FirmTofu, and brings up Koritora as new suspect after the lynch with good reason. Does not look suspicious. Gossemerr: Trying to be active and helpful, lacking some content. Went a bit overboard with the "specific scenario" argument vs Nova_Tera IMO, but I think that's not an issue. Also brought up that noone is defending FirmTofu, although he again was not the first one to do so. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. Mementoss: Very active, posting analysis. Brought up Eleanthas, stated his position on several players. Does not look suspicious. Seviro: another rather active player, although content may be debatable. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. cosine: He speaks out several times vs a lurker lynch on Day1, but then jumps easily on the FirmTofu bandwagon to lynch a lurker. Besides defending himself, he did not add anything substantial. I don't like that. Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one: 1 + 2 Apologizes for not posting earlier, then calls his own first post stupid, although the post itself was not that bad. The fact that he did not post more after this short oneliner was bad. 3 Seviro, Mementoss and Sbrubbles already pointed out the exact same thing. Actually, just take a look at Mementoss phrase: Eleanthas post is the same content with different wording. 4 Was brought up in a similar form by Mementoss. 5 Was brought up by pretty much everyone active in the thread at that time. So, he actually said nothing. The comments on each of his 3 "suspects" are really short and only repeat thoughts brought up by others. For me, he is one of the more suspect persons in the game. ##FoS: Eleanthas Good analysis post Phagga, its hard to do any follow up analysis with heavy lurking going on in the thread. We need people to post/respond to pressure so we can analyse more play, and don't end up with another firmtofu situation. So far what your saying is on the same track of thought I was thinking. I also agree with the suspects for DT check in that order. I'm worried that we don't have a DT though the last mini I played in is almost finishing up and it's looking like there was no DT. Also if there is a DT be careful about a claim slip. If you check someone and need to push or defend, make sure you have a case to back it up. Either a) You will be forced into a claim too early. b) People think you are crazy/scum. c) Makes your role too obvious to mafia. Also something harder to discuss is the case if we have a medic. We obviously can't say who to protect outright, or the mafia will just avoid that person. But maybe mention an idea of a couple people to try and get a successful save. All and all I'm not 100% sure what to talk about in the night. Other than power role ideas/ previous lynch. I feel like last game I played I had a good hard analysis in the night that lead to my death. And the analysis was buried by mafia in day 2. Right now I have my suspicious, but nothing developed much further than my previous analysis post. Need people to be more active before I can put together any cases. Lurking town lets the mafia safely lurk beside them. So keep it active folks. | ||
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On March 14 2012 14:13 Seviro wrote: GG sbrubbles, be sure that we'll avenge your death. At first I was like why kill him, he was not really active, did not really help the town the first day and I didn't see him being a threat for anyone. Now after looking at his filter, his death give me some pointers. First, only 2 post of him contain some sort of analysis/suspicion. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote: Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late! It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 23:29 Sbrubbles wrote: You didn't accuse him? Short of actually voting for the fellow, threatening to vote for someone is as accusatory as it gets: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 01:57 Nova_Terra wrote: Yeah, it was a funny coincedence that he posted that right before i woke up. i also pointed out the post before how the suspicion should also be on me. The thing is though, his post was extremely messed up and seemed very scummy. i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything. On March 12 2012 01:59 Nova_Terra wrote: EBWOP: and if cosine doesnt post and we dont get any other leads i feel that he would be a good lynch candidate. Also, why so angry? Why do you insist (once again) on explaining the motives for your change of atitude? I pointed out that you were quick to turn defensive (or frustrated, as you say) when you were called out on it and it is my opinion that this is suspicious behavior, but that this doesn't matter for now because it is not worth it to push on a talkative (potential) mafia because there will be plenty of time for you to slip up later on if you really are scum. Now your answer is to threaten me, calling me suspicious? Anyway, question here: if the we agree to lynch a lurker, how are we gonna go about it? Bandwagon on the first non-replied accusation? At this point, besides Elean, we can consider a Inferno as a lurker. His post may not be contradictory like Elean (as in, he doesn't call himself worthless and suggests himself to be lynched), but he also hasn't contributed to the thread. Firmtofu looked like he was gonna participate but also hasn't said anything. In both of them, he state his suspicion on the early behaviour of Nova_Terra, maybe he was on something here. So I looked up Nova_Terra's filter and noticed so good thing. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote: What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas. In this one, he confront Scrubbles after he called him out on his early agressiveness, saying that it was to have some sort of conversatioin going out but also adding that he was frustrated by the town for not agreeing with him. Then he add to not "discredit his post by calling it inexperience/carelessness" where in fact Scrubbles was in fact only giving him some sort of excuse for what he posted earlier. As Scrubbles said, being defensive over such a small thing is suspicious to me. He then end his post on a semi-random call on eleanthas by saying that he is "thinking him". This way of wording it is like he want us to start pressuring eleanthas ourselves without stating it. That one-line call bugs me out a lot. He then tell why he thinks Scrubbles post was suspicous. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 17:09 Nova_Terra wrote: I just want to point out like posts like this are scummy. Not making any “accusations” or anything. 1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. 2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion 3. Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness 4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. Why would Scrubbles throw the blame on him when he was not even targetted at all. I mean it's not like Scrubbles was our main target and he wanted to put the spot on another one whereas it is exactly waht Nova_Terra is doing by turning his post against him. He is dodging the fact that Scrubbles want more explanation about his early FOS by implying that there is nothing more to add and that Scrubbles is just wanting to bring up old discussion whereas it was legitimate of him to want some more since he was not convince of his innocence yet. See point 2, that is exactly what Nova do. What he did before on Eleanthas. Also, that was not what Scrubbles was doing he just happen to have come online after the veil of suspicion was lifted on Nova and he just wanted some clarification. So well at this point pretty self-explanatory. Finally I will quote myself. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 08:36 Seviro wrote: Oh god i'm late to the party today, Real life can be a whore I think you would be better voting for a no lynch because voting randomly for someone like this seems a bit scummy in my opinion but i guess you just didn't notice that you could just vote no lynch I think by voting on someone else since Tofu was most likely dead anyways, he wanted to not be associated with his death since he knew he was a townie (if he is a scum of course) and that kind of worked. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote: So, the bandwagon on FirmTofu was rolling to easy. There was no opposition. As scum profits from mislynches, I am sure we will find at least 1 if not 2 scum on the voters of FirmTofu. Here's the final voting stand on FirmTofu again: FirmTofu (7): phagga, Eleanthas, Janaan, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Seviro, cosine, Janaan: He agrees on FirmTofu, and brings up Koritora as new suspect after the lynch with good reason. Does not look suspicious. Gossemerr: Trying to be active and helpful, lacking some content. Went a bit overboard with the "specific scenario" argument vs Nova_Tera IMO, but I think that's not an issue. Also brought up that noone is defending FirmTofu, although he again was not the first one to do so. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. Mementoss: Very active, posting analysis. Brought up Eleanthas, stated his position on several players. Does not look suspicious. Seviro: another rather active player, although content may be debatable. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. cosine: He speaks out several times vs a lurker lynch on Day1, but then jumps easily on the FirmTofu bandwagon to lynch a lurker. Besides defending himself, he did not add anything substantial. I don't like that. Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one: 1 + 2 Apologizes for not posting earlier, then calls his own first post stupid, although the post itself was not that bad. The fact that he did not post more after this short oneliner was bad. 3 Seviro, Mementoss and Sbrubbles already pointed out the exact same thing. Actually, just take a look at Mementoss phrase: Eleanthas post is the same content with different wording. 4 Was brought up in a similar form by Mementoss. 5 Was brought up by pretty much everyone active in the thread at that time. So, he actually said nothing. The comments on each of his 3 "suspects" are really short and only repeat thoughts brought up by others. For me, he is one of the more suspect persons in the game. ##FoS: Eleanthas in his post Phagga write a global analysis of everyone that vote for the lynch without touching to those who didn't. If I'm correct, that was quite a nice play from Nova. So Nova_Terra I can't wait for your answers. That said, I'm going to bed ##Big FOS:Nova_Terra Wow, long post. I also was surprised when I seen this mafia kill. I immediately thought the same thing that mafia kills are usually motivated by people who on the right track for hunting scum. The only person to put relatively any pressure on NovaTerra was Sbrubbles. Of course this is just WIFOM situation, as the mafia could just be trying to mess with the town there is no way of knowing. But I do find it interesting the way NovaTerra replied. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote: What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas. This reply is very defensive. He FoS'd him, but in an aggressive manner to get the whole town on board early, at least for a thought. By being aggressive and FoS an early proof of innocence, doing what is good for the town.Also by the same most people would be thinking that no mafia would be that aggressive early game. Is that what he wants us to think? Then he goes on to state Eleanthas is his most suspicious at the moment. Then bam, change of though Sbrubbles is his suspicious now. OMGUS sorta attitude. You think i'm suspicious well that makes you suspicious kind of defensive manuever. On March 12 2012 17:09 Nova_Terra wrote: I just want to point out like posts like this are scummy. Not making any “accusations” or anything. 1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. 2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion 3. Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness 4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. Arguably, you are contributing on close to the same level as Koritora. The main thing is that you don’t really add anything except with disagreeing with other people. To you as well, what are your thoughts on cosine and Eleanthas in particular? It seems that you ignored most of the discussion relating to this. I have the same thoughts on this as Seviro, basically, but i'll quickly go through it. 1. "Throws blame on others." Why would he do this? No one suspected Sbrubbles. 2."Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion" - At that point discussion was discussion, and overall your argument wasn't exactly strong, so it was more like disagreeing not , not understanding. 3. "Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness" - Trying to give a reason for your defensiveness if you were town 4. "Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious." - I think he was just against early FoS because he wasn't confident in his read on you without more posts. Not because he didn't want to bring further attention to himself. Also as stated before, the vote change by Nova_Terra was weird. He didn't push the town to get off of Tofu's case until it was too late to lose majority. Does this make him innocent, just because he didn't have a final vote for a townie. Well it looks like that is the way he was trying to make it look. Also I noticed something else that was a bit weird. Maybe just a coincidence. The connection between Phagga and Nova_Terra 1. Only 2 people to have suspicion on Sbrubbles. Phagga and Nova_Terra. I've already shown Nova's so here is Phaggas post. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 18:33 phagga wrote: Where is FirmTofu? He posted a lurker list 5 hours into the game (which is VERY early for a lurkerlist) and has not posted since then. If we would hold him up to his own standard, he is lurking very hard. You can see his filter here I read through all the filters, and besides FirmTofu the following people are rather suspicious to me: - Eleanthas (Only posted a one liner) - koritora (not posting anything of value) - sbrubbles (only two posts in rapid succession where he basically calls out lurkers and fluff, only to disappear again). IMO, if there is a DT out there, these four would be possible check targets. What do you guys think about it? Also, if none of them adds anyhting significant in the next 6 hours, my vote will go to one of these four. Soft deadline 8 hours before is ok with me. Also, as a heads up, I generally won't be around on deadline, as it is at 3 am in my timezone. By final vote will normally be casted around 5 to 3 hours before deadline. --> Also maybe trying to push a waste of DT check onto Sbrubbles? 2. Another agreeance on the DT check, again maybe trying to lure out a Blue or waste a check? + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2012 02:30 Nova_Terra wrote: I am in agreement with those three being good suspects for a dt to check. I want them (as well as everyone else) to come and post more. The trend seems to be posting some excuse for not posting and then not posting again. I have a couple other minor suspicions right now, but nothing worth noting, until i have a bit more to work with. 3. First to defend Nova_Terra + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2012 18:47 phagga wrote: Seviro, while I like your analysis on a first glance, I would like to note that you start your case with some heavy WIFOM. We have no idea what the motives of the mafia are for killing sbrubbles. We can only speculate. And if we speculate wrong, we might start hunting and lynching people for the wrong reasons, we will get WIFOM, it will create more uncertainty than facts. The only ones profiting from it will be the mafia. There is no benefit in guessing what the mafia is up to. Also, it does not matter. Whatever the mafia wanted to achieve, we just need to make sure that we can lynch them, then we win. However, I think your case is not only base on WIFOM, so I will go through it later when I have more time. --> Doesn't really go into the case, just dis regards it because it has some WIFOM. When really, there was a lot of WIFOM but there were some other good points too, that he didn't post his opinion on. Adds some fluff about trying to guess what the mafia is up to is useless. Well usually finding what the mafia are up to leads to them, and it all starts making sense. Or you find a mafia, then you find what they were up to and make a connection that way. So yes eventually mafia motives are relevant. 4. Leaves Nova_terra out of his analysis because of the vote switch. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote: So, the bandwagon on FirmTofu was rolling to easy. There was no opposition. As scum profits from mislynches, I am sure we will find at least 1 if not 2 scum on the voters of FirmTofu. Here's the final voting stand on FirmTofu again: FirmTofu (7): phagga, Eleanthas, Janaan, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Seviro, cosine, Janaan: He agrees on FirmTofu, and brings up Koritora as new suspect after the lynch with good reason. Does not look suspicious. Gossemerr: Trying to be active and helpful, lacking some content. Went a bit overboard with the "specific scenario" argument vs Nova_Tera IMO, but I think that's not an issue. Also brought up that noone is defending FirmTofu, although he again was not the first one to do so. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. Mementoss: Very active, posting analysis. Brought up Eleanthas, stated his position on several players. Does not look suspicious. Seviro: another rather active player, although content may be debatable. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. cosine: He speaks out several times vs a lurker lynch on Day1, but then jumps easily on the FirmTofu bandwagon to lynch a lurker. Besides defending himself, he did not add anything substantial. I don't like that. Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one: 1 + 2 Apologizes for not posting earlier, then calls his own first post stupid, although the post itself was not that bad. The fact that he did not post more after this short oneliner was bad. 3 Seviro, Mementoss and Sbrubbles already pointed out the exact same thing. Actually, just take a look at Mementoss phrase: Eleanthas post is the same content with different wording. 4 Was brought up in a similar form by Mementoss. 5 Was brought up by pretty much everyone active in the thread at that time. So, he actually said nothing. The comments on each of his 3 "suspects" are really short and only repeat thoughts brought up by others. For me, he is one of the more suspect persons in the game. ##FoS: Eleanthas Even though the vote switch does not prove innocence or town so this seems a bit odd. Unless it was pre-planned. FirmTofu already had the majority, so Nova_Terra could switch. Phagga could then post an analysis post, to look town, while leaving out any analysis of his scum buddy Nova_Terra, without looking suspicious because of the vote switch. These are just some things I noticed and my thoughts for now. But as of now, I'm leaning towards ##FOS: Nova Terran | ||
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