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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 05 2012 06:41 GMT
#18
I'm in, long time lurker.

/in
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 07 2012 02:06 GMT
#24
Indeed. I agree with Mementoss. ^^
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 09 2012 04:26 GMT
#58
Excellente
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 11 2012 05:19 GMT
#81
On March 11 2012 11:49 FirmTofu wrote:
A no lynch is always better than a lynch unfounded in evidence.

Or is it?

We can watch the who votes on who. We can observe who listens to who. We can deduce who has a inherently positive disposition to who.

I find myself sounding rather like an owl :/


Why post information already stated?
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 11 2012 05:28 GMT
#83
I would have to say that if we didn't lynch, we would just end up prolonging "day 1" and not have any new information to build on afterwards.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 11 2012 05:38 GMT
#85
Well like you said, if the there is a good amount of evidence that those being voted on are townies; then of course a no lynch would be best. I'm guessing that we will not be certain either way.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 11 2012 06:41 GMT
#88
Okay, but say we don't lynch. Now, after the night phase we will now have 11 total - 8 town and 3 scum - and essentially no more information than we started with, other than we are down one townie. Now what do we do? It will now be a 72.7% chance of killing a townie now (down from 75%), if we consider it to be a completely random lynch again. All I am saying is that at least if we vote to lynch someone - based off at least a minor hunch - then we get some information; which includes their defence, and the the responses of everyone else. In addition, after the flip, we will receive even more valuable information.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 12 2012 01:03 GMT
#120
On March 12 2012 06:38 cosine wrote:
hold your horses buddy i live in a different timezone. i think you're reading a bit too much into my post, i'll try to clarify.

when i said sometimes it's good to no lynch in lylo, i think there was some confusion. idk what terminology is used here. maybe mylo? basically i meant in a lategame situation where the town can potentially throw the game away with a mislynch, but has killed enough scum already to eat a nightkill, especially if it means town power-roles get another shot. i was talking about a very specific scenario, so maybe i shouldn't have qualified my statement at all. so let me be clear, lynch is always better than no lynch.

and i didn't post because i was called out for lurking, i posted because i was about to go to bed and that's always when i check mafia threads. the day hadn't even started last time i checked the thread. i'll be here with more frequency now that the game is going.

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see sloosh's play in newbie mini mafia IV. says nothing when it doesnt matter. once the discussion gets more substantive does he appear and work the town.


idk what point you're trying to make here. i made a very general statement, and you countered with an extremely specific example, with which i'm not familiar.

hope this clarifies things. i don't know what FOS means yet, i'm going now to check all the terminology that's used in liquid mafia, but i have to say i've read your posts and i like your play, as long as you don't get tunnel vision on me. pressure is a good way to get the discussion rolling. and isn't much better to build cases on people's posts instead of the lack thereof? that was the only point i was trying to make when i called tofu's call for a lurkerlynch stupid.


I don't see how you can know about the specific scenario you presented in such detail, and yet, not know what FOS or even LYLO stand for. Again a few lines down you say you are not familiar with another specific example, yet you made a very specific one in the first place. You're still very suspicious in my book.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 12 2012 19:19 GMT
#155
At the moment I don't see how Eleanthas is acting any more scummy than others. Regarding FirTofu, I was going to make the same case as Mementoss, but was just waiting for more posts by him / her. So, I will add my vote untill / if other information becomes available.

##Vote: FirmTofu
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 12 2012 22:19 GMT
#170
On March 13 2012 06:34 Nova_Terra wrote:
Okay, gossemerr, read the post above. I dont feel that a lynch on firmtofu will have any non-town results.

This is not trying to lynch you. I apologise for being so wishy washy and understand why people may not like this decision.
Unvote: FirmTofu
Vote: Gossemerr



You realize you can just vote for a no lynch?
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 13 2012 00:57 GMT
#175
Since nobody is stepping up to defend FirmTofu, minus possibly the last post by kori and a earlier change of heart by nova, I have a feeling that FirmTofu is town. That is of course unless nova and possibly kori are scum as well. I'm not changing my vote, just putting that point out there.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#195
There is not much action going on so it is kinda hard to read anyone. Only thing that pops out at me is Janaan talking about the days votes after its already over. Earlier he said he would keep watch on the thread, and koritora posted the no lynch vote only a few minutes after his (Janaan's) last post. Kinda scummy imo to bring this up after the fact. Either way I agree with the analysis, just weird timing.

On March 13 2012 14:06 Janaan wrote:
GG FirmTofu

I think we need to use this night phase to get some cases rolling. We don't have much to go on as far as cases go from Day 1, so we've got our work cut out for us.

One thing I noticed from the votes that I found very interesting was Koritora's No Lynch vote. Here's one of his early posts:
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On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote:
However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies.


Then he turns around and:
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On March 13 2012 09:37 koritora wrote:
Well besides the fact FirmTofu has only made talk about lynching a lurker, there isn't really much else to go on. Same case can be made for InfernoOkami7. But since either hasn't spoken up lately, I can only assume they are lurking and that puts my vote up in the air for these two unless they come and contribute something meaningful. But as of the moment, I can't decide between the two and therefore going with a no lynch.

##Vote: No Lynch


First he says that he's suspicious of anyone who is against lynching on day 1. Then he's all of a sudden against lynching on day 1? This seems like a huge contradiction to me. Is it possible that he's trying to take away suspicion since he didn't vote for the mislynch? I'm not sure, but it's definitely possible. I think he's definitely worth a closer look.

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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 14 2012 23:27 GMT
#228
Considering this is a newbie game, wouldn't mafia likely to be outspoken and "contributing"? With something to prove? "Hey don't suspect me im contributing" type of deal. I find it hard to believe that a scum would just not post for this long now - certainly with all this pressure; and especially when there are three of them, and are most likely (don't see how they wouldn't be) communicating with each other by some other means to coordinate. To that notion, the play by Janaan is concerning to me. I made a point in an eariler post about the focus he / she put on Kori's vote after the fact, which was kinda late. Now he / she counters almost every point Seviro makes in his / her latest post - seemingly to dismiss or discredit the analysis.

On March 15 2012 03:26 Janaan wrote:
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On March 14 2012 22:32 Nova_Terra wrote:
Meanwhile, I would also like to draw a bit of attention to Janaan.
As i was looking through his filter, i often saw a trend. he would post something questioning somebody else, to get their reads on everything, and then not post much about his thoughts. Also, as a way of avoiding posting much about his own thoughts, he would say that nothing seems to have changed, or something of the sort.
Janaan, I would love it if you could make a post explaining your reads on people so far. too much happens by way of your posts and not enough happens that questions your posts.
Note that this is not an FOS.


At the moment, there's been so much limited activity, I'm finding it hard to get decent reads off.

I'm still waiting for an answer from Koritora, but at the moment, he's my best scum read for the reasons that I presented earlier.


Phagga is looking pretty townie to me, his posts make a lot of sense to me and seem to have the right intentions behind them.

Nova_Terra, I don't really know what to think about you, to be honest. It seems like you're trying to be active and helpful, but things like your defense of your actions on day 1 being very defensive and emotionally charged don't quite sit right with me. Neutral for the moment.

Seviro actually looks a bit scummy to me, not enough to come out with any sort of case on him, but I'm keeping close watch on him.


Moving on, there is a fishy link between Janaan, Phagga, and Nova_Terra. Nova's behavior has already been discussed so not going to bring that up here, but Phagga has not really has yet to been focused. He /she has yet to really offer any analysis except one post a few hours after the day 2 post, in which he / she focuses only on the people who voted for FirmTofu, and doing so dismisses Janaan rather easily as town. While on the issue of voting, he constantly wants to talk about the people who are lurking, but there is realy nothing to talk about considering that they are lurking.. Seems scummy to me to keep the town going in circles and wasting hours of actual analysis. Of course the lurkers could be mafia, but really nothing new here. Janaan also wants to lynch the lurkers, and easily agrees with Phagga.

My money is on Janaan right now unless something else comes up. He is saying just enough to get by, without saying anything really at all.

##Vote: Janaan
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 21:18 GMT
#255
First of all, I work two jobs and go to school full time. I'm not going to post all day like some of you. And by the time I get to read everything it has usually been analyzed. I should have just lurked more, considering now you are going trying to build a case against me when I am trying to put pressure on others. Nova, Phagga, and Janaan seem concerning to me. If you don't agree then fine, but lynching me will be a mistake. And by the way, Nova gets mad and makes a case for anyone who says anything about him. He flips his mind every time a new argument is made, just following the flow of the thread.

@Phagga: I never said I did any more analysis / posting than some of you.. I was just pointing out what I thought.

@Vel: I said that FT was probably town after my vote upon rereading the thread just before the deadline. Considering he was a heavy lurker, there was still a possiblity that he would flip mafia.

I can't explain the ele thing, dude is lurking hard. Also this is my first game, so I can't relate to lurkers like some of you can. Finally, to defend my Janaan vote, I followed my hunch. In my mind better to vote for someone who will actually respond then vote for a lurker who will not say anything back. Also, other people have allowed Janaan to not even need to defend himself, by just blasting me.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 21:24 GMT
#258
Additionally, the evidence that Ele, Me, and Infero are related is just as bad as you say my evidence that Nova, Phagga, and Janaan are possibly related.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 21:55 GMT
#267
Nova, what? You are the most emotional person here. I was not trying to hurt your feelings... I meant everyone's case that we are related. And did I say I didn't spend time once or twice per day? No. I SAID, I don't post ALL day. Your last bit is just attacking me for no reason, why even question why I want to play? To have fun, of course. :D All I can say is you flip your own mind very quickly and very often; most of the time without explaining why your past argument is no longer valid. I don't see why you scrapped your ele vote, if you thought he was so suspicious before I posted yesterday.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 21:58 GMT
#269
Also thanks Seviro, at least I make a little sense to someone.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 22:03 GMT
#272
@Vel: Please see what Seviro said already. I stated in my first posts that I didn't want a no lynch situation to prolong day 1. I don't really see how thats not valid.
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 22:12 GMT
#274
I did not say 100% that he was town.. also it was day 1 and i did not believe in a no lynch...

Also why tell us you are going to real Ele's stuff? Fluff..
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Gossemerr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States195 Posts
March 15 2012 22:38 GMT
#283
I'm leaving soon. So unless something changes, I guess getting rid of a lurker (and one that is kinda scummy) is not really going to hurt us. Ele has added nothing to this thread in my opinion besides voting for me after a case was brought up by others.

##Unvote: Janaan
##Vote: Eleanthas
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