TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia

On March 11 2012 13:41 Jitsu wrote:
What about lying in PM's? In what situation would you use it? Can you logically and clearly explain you're reasoning to the rest of the town when the lie is brought out to the forums?

If yes - yes, I would be ok with that.
If no - no, don't lie.

Simple.

Again, calculated lies are something that could potentially have high risk/low reward. Remember that as well.

On March 11 2012 13:42 Abenson wrote:
Alright, checking in to the game.
Goal #1: Make all my post contain 3+ lines.

For the day 1 lynch I think we should just lynch the lurkers to force them to talk.

On March 11 2012 13:43 Abenson wrote:


Taken from the TL Mafia Quiz Thread

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On March 11 2012 18:19 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys

I'm surprised that Jackal58 is openly advocating that people announce who they are in PM contact with immediately. It's somewhat okay when a guy like Mattchew hides behind the "more information for town"-mantra, but I expect more from Jackal58.

If player A and player B are in contact with each other and they're both town, then why does the rest of the game need to know this? Scum can shoot into people to prevent town circles this way (as Mr. Wiggles already pointed out) and that's pretty bad. You are just giving scum extra information.

The PM mechanism is a town favored mechanism and we shouldn't be so afraid of it as everybody seems to be. We should instead encourage people to use it wisely. Fear mongering such as "Oh, BloodyC0bbler used this in some game to kick town's ass so lets all be afraid of PMs" is harmful, while "Be ware that people might be scum, don't just trust them because they're in PM contact with you. Use your brain." is a lot more useful for the single townie and for town as a whole.

Also, Mr. Wiggles advice on "state in thread when someone rolefishes" is bad. Use your brain. If a guy asks you for his role then there's no real harm in that, both townies and scum would benefit from it. If he insists on you telling him his role while you're trying to talk about reads and analysis, then you can start getting suspicious.

I'm not going to announce who I'm in PM contact with, unless they're scum. Every townie who says that they're going to say in the thread who they're in contact with is making it less likely that other people contact them, which is a bad thing.

I'll probably write a list of people I think are going to be very active in this game and then RNG one of them and PM contact that guy. I didn't really decide yet.

On March 12 2012 02:42 Caller wrote:
i'd just like to say that people who say that we shouldn't lynch people for lying are already thinking about lying. And why would a townie want to lie right now? While their point is valid, they are just running interference for themselves.

gumshoe and jitsu come to mind here. At least one of you is mafia. The other is probably a stupid townie. i say we lynch one of them... after we kill doctor h, of course.

here's why we kill doctor h:

a) doctor h is town
mafia will likely be disorganized this round, so whether or not we kill him this does nothing.
b) doctor h is mafia
we take out mafia and their probable leader.

having played with doctor h numerous times i can tell you that he is a leader type. and if we take out the mafia leader we'd really fuck up the mafia organization and strategy.

tldr: one of jitsu and gumshoe is scum, we should kill doctor h because whether or not he's town or mafia, the worst thing that could happen is that we lose someone who would probably get hit early anyways, whereas at best we would take out somebody that is really essential to a mafia team's strategy.

On March 12 2012 03:13 Caller wrote:


i can come up with arbitrary lists too

jackal58
jackal58
jackal58
jackal58
jackal58

replace jackal58 with any of them. Any questions?

You havne't really procc'd my scummy as fuck trigger yet though. keep going though.

as for gumshoe:


you're wifoming like shit
nobody cares about an "ideal town environment" and "discussion" and "against us"
i alerady explained why doctorh should be lynched bro, nash equilibrium look it up
and finally i don't give a shit about policy. my job is to find mafia and get them killed. anything else is pointless.

On March 12 2012 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Matt lurking as mafia is a completely viable strategy. I dont think we should let it be.

Putting the threat of a lynch to lurkers forces them to contribute. Simple as that.

I think the jackal case can hold some merit. However i will hold my vote for now. I would like to see how he responds

On March 12 2012 17:37 prplhz wrote:It's not sarcasm, Jackal58 isn't the sarcasm-y kind of guy. Even if it is sarcasm, is that a townie thing? No it's not, sarcasm just makes the thread harder to read for other people.

On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote:
+1 for the Pink Floyd reference though.

@EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three.

On March 12 2012 21:53 prplhz wrote:

I don't know that they're townies, duh. I think it's more likely that they're town than scum right now because they saw the same things I saw.

No, I never agreed with Caller's case on DoctorHelvetica, I made that clear in the thread multiple times, I wonder how you manage to miss that. Caller acknowledged this but he never called me scum so it's a lie when you say that Caller thinks that anybody who called his case bullshit had to be scum. No one complained about the fact that you called Caller's case bullshit, people complained about the way you called Caller's case bullshit.

On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote:
+1 for the Pink Floyd reference though.

@EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three.

On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote:
I don't know that they're townies, duh. I think it's more likely that they're town than scum right now because they saw the same things I saw.

On March 13 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've been following the thread silently and I'm of the opinion that Caller is scum.

##Vote: Caller

His original case on DocH was a fucking joke - it was literally "he could be scum, and if he's town he's likely to get killed anyway, so let's kill him!" This alone is bad enough, but then he backpedals, says that it was a reaction test.

A reaction test. What kind of reactions was he looking for after a bullshit case like that? Either people calling it bullshit or people hopping onboard obviously. But here's where it gets strange. He gave cred to people who called his case bullshit.

Whaaaaat?

Let's roleplay for a minute: Let's say that Caller is town and is testing for reactions. In this exercise, let's assume for the moment that prplhz is scum, mkay? How do you think a scum prplhz is going to react to the case town-Caller put forward? If you said anything but "Call it fucking bullshit" then you're wrong. As scum, prplhz would be scared as shit of townCaller by virtue of Caller being an easily recognizable name on these forums, right? But then Caller does him a FAVOR and posts a laughable case on DocH. Like, I'd literally be doing a jig if I were scum reading Caller's initial case.

But Caller gives TOWNCRED to prplhz for calling his case BS! That doesn't even make sense - scum benefit more from calling out Caller than town would in that situation - Caller's DocH case was bad enough without someone calling it bad.

I think Caller put forward an easily recognizable shit case with the sole intention of buddying up by giving them towncred anyone who called it bullshit. For this reason, I'm pretty convinced that prplhz is town and Caller is scum.

On March 13 2012 02:51 jaybrundage wrote:

Hate on me all you want. There is a perfectly reasonable chance that Jackal is mafia. Now instead of pushing his reads on other people he is just making flimsy arguments. A case based mosty on meta is still a case.


I voted Schworz. Because as a is stated i want to get some reactions sadly i didn't get as many as I wanted. I also dont like
Rg's play style.

The list I posted was the people that were lurking at that point. Putting pressure on lurkers is never bad. Its important that we keep our options open and think about lynching a lurker if no other good scum lynches come up.

I decided to vote for jackal because i think the cases on him are decent. While mostly based on meta sometimes cases on meta to come thru. I didn't really post a case. Because Curu's case and prplhz mostly changed my mind. If i did post a case it would be rehashing and not worth posting.

That said. I like how the jackal case isn't getting much momentum. It makes me think we could have picked up on a scum.

On March 13 2012 03:34 Katina wrote:


I think it's interesting that you admit to being a bad player especially since I searched your name and found that you have played and hosted in multiple games. You are counting Caller out as scum because he was the first to make a case? Well if I would have known that it's that easy to get off your radar I would have done that first. In BC's game Liquid`Sheth was the first to make a case and he ended up being scum.

On March 13 2012 05:09 Jackal58 wrote:
What a derp fest.
Since I die night one anyways with the regularity of 90 year old virgin on a prune diet I'm claiming.
I'm Dreamflower. The suicidal vigilante. If I shoot a townie I die. Whether I hit them or not. So go lynch scum ya derps.
Start with Node. That's where I'm switching my vote too. Caller has a tendency to piss me off so I'll just ignore him until I decide to shoot him.