EPTTL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia
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On March 09 2012 11:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hmm... it's a bit complex setup but nothing too hard. I'm looking forward to this, I'll clear some time for Saturday night. It's very simple, the only interesting thing I'm aware of is the KP cost mechanic but it's nothing worth deliberating over come game time. | ||
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My scumhunting in the last game was ruined by second guessing and took a steady dip as soon as my activity levels went way up, as expected. I've learned from it though and I think I do alright when I'm careful. Regardless, careful scumhunting will likely be the key to winning, I don't really care what the mafia can/can't do at night as it doesn't help anybody single them out or find them as efficiently as focus on posting behavior would. Ver's guide/etc. | ||
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On March 11 2012 13:19 Jitsu wrote: That meme is some good stuff. I love you Jackal. So, let's get this ball rolling, then. I'm not sure I want to comment on Lurkers or anything yet. Looking at the player list, I think everyone will have a decently good job of staying active enough to contribute to a pro-town atmosphere. No one really stands out to me as a lurking player, so enough of that. Also, this is going to be pretty much a direct rip from my first post in Storm. It's something that I think should set the mood for town discussion. I hate liars, unless there is a clear and logical reason to do so (blue prolonging his anonymity, ect.), anyone lying should (and will) be 100% held accountable for the actions they decided to run with. Does anyone in anyway disagree with this, and if so, why? I will hold myself to the same standard, and anyone who is found blatantly lying, crossing stories, anything of that sort is going to be pushed by me, and i'd like to assume that the majority of the town players can agree with me on that. I agree. More often than not, townie plans that involve calculated lies do more harm than good. Unfortunately, TL rarely ever punishes liars except in very obvious cases like counterclaims. It is important to differentiate between lies and the sort of absentmindedness that is often characteristic of town though. Reflecting on Storm Mafia has given me way more confidence in my ability to differentiate between bad town and mafia. Beware of people who seem to be too in tune with town sentiment or afraid of making themselves heard. | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote: i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone. I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice So if someone PMs you will you ignore it? Seems like an easy way to avoid pressure. PMs are better for town than they are for scum and if you're not scum you have nothing to be afraid of. In fact, talking to scum should be your first priority as town, why would you just want to PM other townies for?? | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote: I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even. I don't think that's necessary. It will be much more telling to see how PM lines form when left unattended by the thread. People should use their own judgment and not the wisdom of the "town". As far as being open with who you select, I can't see how that would be anything but pro-town. | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:44 Mattchew wrote: why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate? scum can already PM each other tbh i don't see any reason for scum to hide their PM targets if you can explain why that's something scum would want to do then you should explain how it's scummy | ||
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PM should be used as a tool to pressure and harass your scumreads imo not to setup town circles unless you have an investigative role or some means of entrapping scum/confirming people with it, it's better to bring the pressure directly to scum where they can't just ignore it like they can in the thread. if someone is going around and using their PMs just to buddy up with people and try to gain trust, I would think of that as being highly suspicious right away. the goal of a townie is not to prove they are a townie. at the end of the day a policy of "lynch anyone who doesn't claim pm targets" would be ridiculous so as usual it's up to an individuals discretion. i don't think scum have a huge incentive to hide who they are PMing especially considering it would only bring more scrutiny on them | ||
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It's up to an individuals discretion whether or not they share who they are PMing with, policy lynching someone for not doing it is stupid. Also, town circles could be set up so that somebody can claim DT to someone they confirm and then use that person to broadcast their reads, or a tracker/watcher/etc. That can be useful. In that case the last thing you want is everyone saying who they are with. Jackal58 is being a bit silly with what Wiggles and people like that are saying. His point is that scum know who town is and because of that they can cut down any circles that arise that they aren't directly involved in themselves. Especially it would be dangerous for someone to say "i'm pming with A B C and D" and then later come out and say "I'm PMing the DT and..." when say, B and C are dead or something. It's up to an individual to share their PM targets or not. Gumshoe is posting a lot and very focused on town circles and such. For that reason, I'm voting for him. He has 2 pages of filter all completely disconnected from finding scum. The way you're probing Caller looks as though it would be helpful, but doesn't actually lead to anything. It's wishy washy, I feel like it's the kind of thing that scum would feel they can't ignore but don't want to commit to Caller if he's town. That'll satisfy me for now, it's pretty likely I'll come up with something better or that Gumshoe will just make himself look worse | ||
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I don't buy into the case against Jackal to be honest, it seems forced as hell. he instead first brings up a list of random people that he thinks would be lynchable in my shitty circumstance He was clearly trying to demonstrate how your logic was flawed and selective, which to be honest was right on point. I'd down with lynching Caller to be honest. This "haha i was fucking with you all along to see how you'd all react!" thing reeks of bullshit to the core. The case on Jackal is forced, he's just playing disruptively. | ||
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On March 12 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't worry everybody, I've arrived. The game can start now. I'm reading through, but I can already tell that Caller is going to rub me the wrong way. I see we've moved past the LaL discussion, that's a plus. At a glance I'd say I'm disinclined to vote Jackal today. Further details to come. Just letting everyone know I'm here and that I'm lurking hard. Smooches. I would call you scum for making these worthless announcements but Storm Mafia is giving me some hesitations. We should have nailed WBG from the start, I laid the foundation  | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:03 Bill Murray wrote: @doctorh, what are the reasons you like from curu? I'm catching up, and I value your opinion. That is also why I am sort of sheeping you. You saw what I saw out of gumshoe, switched when that wagon wasn't going anywhere for some reason, and probably found a good one here. I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid. tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum Caller came in trolling then made his case when there was light pressure and it seems forced. I'm not totally sold on him at the moment because I feel like this is pretty much in line with the way he always acts but Curu does make a better case. I still think Caller is a better lynch than Jackal but I'm not confident enough to push it. Caller's case is based on, from what I can tell, misunderstanding of jackals post and then overstating the significance of it. Curu has a meta read that is at least accurate. Jaybrundage is one of those players who seems to me to be participating only in the surface discussion and making little effort to figure out what peoples motives are or hunt scum. His last few posts speak for themselves really. His confidence is a little bit out of place for a newer scum player though. I'm torn between Caller and jaybrundage right now. I'd be on prplhz in an instant if his logic wasn't equally terrible last time I played with him. I'm waiting for Pandain to come into play, he's awful so I'll know right away if he's scum or not. | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:36 Bill Murray wrote: top 2 suspects are jitsu and layabout, but i'm voting for caller... hmmm... sorry to spam, but something must be wrong with my brain. I'm going to switch my vote to jitsu, actually. You suspect jitsu based on disagreements about how the town operates? He might be wrong but I don't see it as particularly scummy. Do you have a better reason? | ||
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Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran. We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed. Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque. Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie. | ||
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JubJub: That makes so much sense....we better lynch him. Only scum would mess up their posts because they have the advantage of coordinating with a team that tells them what and when to post! | ||
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