• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:02
CEST 19:02
KST 02:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)10BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) feardragon: Blizzards biggest blunder with SC was… TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 25855 users

Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 06 2012 22:29 GMT
#15
/in
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 12 2012 17:20 GMT
#102
/confirm glhf all.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 12 2012 17:38 GMT
#106
can I get some opinions on the rabid fanboy trait.
Personally I don't even think it should be used. Not sure I like the idea of one person making his opinion more important than the town majority.
At the very least if the leader chooses to switch the lynch target without making his intentions clear and discussing with the town he should be lynched the next day. don't ninja-switch the vote, it's scummy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 13 2012 14:39 GMT
#186
I don't think Blazinghand is stupid enough to ask in the thread how to create secret channels on irc if he was intending on using it to communicate with scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#251
On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.

A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.

I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help?

He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 14 2012 01:26 GMT
#260
What I meant by that was that IN IRC, he said that he pmd other people.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 15 2012 03:21 GMT
#308
My biggest scum read is Bluelightz

On February 14 2012 09:11 Bluelightz wrote:
Dude, I was sleeping. Getting on irc.

Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are

Palmar
Paperscraps
Layabout
Grackaroni


First off giving a list of townie reads is bad, but I wouldn't expect Bluelightz to play any differently than this.
The reads themselves are pretty random, he quickly takes back town read on me when he realizes that Palmar has called me scummy.
On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/

Anyway,

Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz

Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions

Next day Bluelightz comes in again with his new list of reads. Not a lot of contributions is pretty weak and easy to retract for a scum read. The main reason Nisani is seen as scummy is because he has been unwilling to provide opinions and shows little interest in the game. (he said that prplhz was obv scum in IRC, but he did not care to explain it.) This list is lacking Paperscraps, who was on there earlier, It's possible that he simply forgot him but I think that he took him off just because he got accused a bit.

[19:15] <@Palmar> Paperscraps is town
[19:15] <Bluelightz> I believe scraps is town as well
[19:15] <derpladee> lol Bluelightz why?
[19:16] <Bluelightz> @prp I talked with him in irc and he seemed townie


I'm really not sure if it was a coincidence that Paperscraps was not on BL's town list from the earlier night but he had no real reasoning to back up his town read. His town reads are random and I think he just wanted to agree with palmar.

Bluelightz has jumped onto 2 of the easiest lynches in the game (already supported by several players) and posts a lot about asking opinions about me without providing his own.

[19:11] <Bluelightz> I think grack & sinani are scum imo

[19:28] <Bluelightz> IF we do Double Lynch who would we lynch? I Could see grack & Sinani getting lynched


[19:29] <Bluelightz> froggy what do you think of grack?

[19:34] <Bluelightz> Palmar, here's a PM from grack to me it made me seem like he had no "friends" or was clueless | Are you mainly communicating through PM's?
[19:34] <Bluelightz> Looked like that was your plan from IRC chat.

[19:39] <Bluelightz> Wadda ya think of Grack?

The only thing he does add about me is a random PM from me that shows nothing about my allignment. the PM he quoted was just my way of "breaking the ice"(prplhz). Seriously, I don't see the connection between me reaching out to him ------> me making it seem like I had no friends ----------> somehow indicating I am scum?

As far as I can recall I've never seen Bluelightz attack one player, he tends to stick to lists seperated by town, scum or town/scum. The Impression he has given me is that he does not want to make his own analysis on me, even though he thinks I'm scum, and is looking to pressure somebody else into writing a case for him.



Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 15 2012 03:28 GMT
#310
On February 15 2012 12:28 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for posting Grack.

I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully.

I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 15 2012 03:31 GMT
#311
On February 15 2012 12:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 12:28 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for posting Grack.

I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully.

I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again

In fact I checked the IRC logs too. the first thing I said when I finished reading the chat was my opinion of Bluelightz. I never asked your opinion on him in IRC either.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#336
Like Lanaia has mentioned earlier we need to start putting down our votes.

##Vote: Bluelightz

Mattchew is right that new scum often put a lot of emphasis on the fact that they are new and that their reads might not be good. Spiritclown would also be a good lynch if we are planning on tieing the vote.

I think paperscraps' needs a better reason for believing that Sentinel is scum, the conversation he posted is pretty obviously trollish and is a null tell.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 16 2012 12:17 GMT
#406
Let's go for the double lynch on spiritclown/Sinani.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 17 2012 04:07 GMT
#473
Funny coincidence that zeurg was the player replaced... Just from the fact that he would pop into IRC avoid talking and leave at the same time probulous started pming him. Really strange to sign up for a game in the first place and actively avoid talking, makes a little more sense from a scum perspective.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 04:15 GMT
#504
Palmar is a good player.
If paperscraps was scum as you believe it would leave little doubt in my mind that palmar is also scum. He is a good enough town player to not call people you consider obv scum confirmed town.

I don't think I can write a case on my phone but nisani is scum and Needs to be lynched. I'm waking up early tomorrow anyways will write a case then. (my school shuts off my Internet at 11)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 04:29 GMT
#507
On February 18 2012 13:15 Nisani201 wrote:
Grackaroni, you fail to consider the possibility that Palmar is scum. Do you have information that I don't?

Of course not. There's 2 scum teams and the idea of me and palmar being scum together is extremely unlikely.
No way I could know if palmar is scum I just think his scum reads are pretty accurate and he seems less lazy compared to purgatory. Bluelightz could be scum don't understand his wrong in a townie way opinion.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 04:57 GMT
#510
Hey lanai, how do you feel about Somali?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 04:57 GMT
#511
Lol sinani
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 05:04 GMT
#514
It's just odd. You seemed defensive about Nisani earlier and as soon as I call him out you call me scum based off your gut and because I called somebody scummy my best scum read.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 05:12 GMT
#516
On February 18 2012 14:08 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 14:04 Grackaroni wrote:
It's just odd. You seemed defensive about Nisani earlier and as soon as I call him out you call me scum based off your gut and because I called somebody scummy my best scum read.


It wasn't that. It was because of how you worded it.

Also I don't know if he's omgusing you, nisani. did he even see that you'd done it before he called you scum?

Huh? You said my wording was weird too but those were the reasons you gave. If you want to you can elaborate on the wording but it's a very weak case.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 05:30 GMT
#519
You admit that this is a weak case and that your other reads are less prominent? From my perspective the best explanation for you posting a weak case on me was you trying to defend a team mate by attacking me. I don't know what your other motivation could be the timing is suspect.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 18 2012 18:50 GMT
#550
pretty dissapointed. Thought for sure nisani would flip scum.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 143
BRAT_OK 73
MindelVK 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30727
Calm 3889
Mini 509
firebathero 440
Stork 319
Hyuk 240
Yoon 56
Nal_rA 50
sSak 46
scan(afreeca) 22
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7284
qojqva2094
Counter-Strike
fl0m5731
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0630
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu342
Other Games
tarik_tv44846
gofns37280
Grubby2117
FrodaN1638
Beastyqt406
crisheroes379
Lowko199
XaKoH 100
Trikslyr70
ArmadaUGS36
QueenE34
FunKaTv 21
B2W.Neo16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream10701
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 58
• Adnapsc2 25
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 31
• Rasowy 7
• Michael_bg 4
• FirePhoenix3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2175
League of Legends
• Nemesis12211
• TFBlade1089
Other Games
• Shiphtur257
• WagamamaTV102
Upcoming Events
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
1h 58m
Korean StarCraft League
9h 58m
SOOP
15h 58m
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
16h 58m
WardiTV Invitational
17h 58m
ByuN vs MaNa
MaxPax vs Solar
Reynor vs Creator
Gerald vs Spirit
Cheesadelphia
21h 58m
CSO Cup
23h 58m
BSL: ProLeague
1d
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
GSL Code S
1d 14h
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
[ Show More ]
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.