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On February 03 2012 00:33 Bluelightz wrote: Lurkers: Mderg: No posts *yawn* Really... I just got home and already accused of lurking. There are different timezones, you know. On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote: I want to hear everyone say at least one thing before we decide who to kill first... that doesn't change the fact that there are people on this ship who must be killed in the name of the emperor. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances. On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed. This seems very odd. First you say we shouldn´t kill randomly and only a short time after that you already change your mind drastically. I won´t vote for you now but you should explain yourself. Also: On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote: I have the same position as Timeaisis. On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. This is a bit strange, Sinensis and Timeaisis seem to have the same opinion on everything until now. We can´t really make a conclusion solely based on this but a connection is certainly possible. So I´ll keep my eyes on you. (but that counts for everyone) | ||
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On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Care to explain your reason for voting him? | ||
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On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back. I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway. Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose. Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2. Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen. Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On February 03 2012 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Before I left I saw a sudden surge of votes for me. I expected people to just copy and paste that voting button and lynch lynch lynch. The sudden surge of votes was 3 votes in around 5 hours and there wasn´t anyone just deeming you scum, so you shouldn´t have worried about being lynched. There´s no way a town player would place the hammer vote on someone who´s only suspicious but not cleared as scum. At least not this early in the day. On February 03 2012 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I feel like I have addressed and refuted his every point. You at least addressed all my points and gave reasons for everything you said. I wouldn´t say you refuted every point because these reasons were be pretty easy to find, even if my post would be right in every point. But there aren´t any logical flaws in your reasoning, so I can´t deem you scum. On February 03 2012 12:43 Timeaisis wrote: Good to know. This post shows no intention of finding scum. It seems like you´re just pissed at him because he thinks of you as suspicious. It could also be that you´re scum and try to make this look like a ridiculous read by him. But at least posting something that was already called suspicious on purpose doesn´t feel right to me. On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess No I´m not. There could very well be a Hedonist in the setup. But IMO every speculation about the setup is stupid on day 1... we have no hints on it other than the possible roles, so we should focus on finding scum rather than thinking about how many of which roles are in the game. So I didn´t/don´t want something like this: On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: before we can know anything about the setup.@Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? I never said people could vote without reason. What I meant is that scum could get away with weak reasons or just getting on bandwagons and then argue that they were just voting for weak reasons because it wasn´t that damaging to town. On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: Also coupled with some lurking wtf? | ||
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On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis | ||
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On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. That´s only speculation... and I don´t like speculation in mafia. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. His vote against Vilonis doesn´t clear him at all. It´s typical to call out players who didn´t post any content, regardless of alignment. You are probably right about first time mafia not jumping on a bandwagon of their own, but it´s not certain that Sentinel is scum. Of course Timeaisis would be pretty much cleared as town, if Sentinel flipped town. IMO Going with the flow does indicate scummyness, if there´s a bandwagon on a townie, it´s pretty easy to hide in the majority. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. This sounds strange. Mafia always involves risks. I know what you mean, though. btw On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: ##Vote: Timeasis Just want you to know that you misspelled his name... you should change that, if you want him lynched. some more coming later today | ||
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On February 04 2012 06:34 Sinensis wrote: guys I can't defend myself right now as I type this post will you please give me several hours to think of a way out of this or for my Chaos buddies to bail me out I think waiting for the lynch as long as possible is the right decision. What do we gain from lynching someone some hours earlier than possible? Nothing. We just lose time to discuss everything. | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:09 prplhz wrote: @mderg Do you want a no-lynch? Do you think that Timeaisis is town? I want a lynch. But I´m not totally convinced of Timeaisis being scum (more than Sentinel, though,), so I didn´t vote him for now. Since there´s no other option right now I´ll pace my vote on Timeaisis. Vote: Timeaisis | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that. That´s not the way to go... If he´s scum you shouldn´t defend him just because he defended you. On February 04 2012 11:29 Sinensis wrote: You, prplhz, and Bluelightz are dead once Time turns town. Because they attacked you for your stupid play at the beginning and got Timeaisis lynched? They were wrong about Timeaisis but they gave proper reasons. If they were scum just because they got a townie lynched, Mafia would be easy. On February 04 2012 12:28 TheToast wrote: Most logical? Being that the case was WRONG I find that hard to believe. Especially since Bluelightz has been screaming scum from page 5. Seeing you constantly making these bizzare statements is absurd. You were wrong, I was right. If you are not scum you must be one of the worst town players in this game. It was the most logical case. The other two cases (I don´t count the one against Sinensis) were: 1.Me trying to pressure Sentinel to force him into a mistake, scum slip or something like that; he didn´t make a mistake, so it wasn´t a strong case. 2.The case against Bluelightz, which also wasn´t strong. What you said about him made sense but in no way justifies a lynch. He didn´t make as many bad posts as Timeaisis, so his case was weaker. On February 04 2012 16:28 Sinensis wrote: 6. As of posting this and everything I've read before it, I believe they will try to kill TheToast tonight. What information do we get out of that? | ||
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On February 05 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: @ET my choice is BaronFel because, 1).Hardcore Lurking! 2).Sheeping 3).Hardly contributing Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now. On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote: My reads on everyone: EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum How come this sudden change of mind? I didn´t see a post that could get BaronFel from most suspicious to town. Can you explain this? His vote on Sinensis is rather interesting as it isn´t backed up by good evidence but by an overall impression. On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote: Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide This is just stupid. Scum would get a shit ton of information while we can´t conclude much. Scum would just fakeclaim and the possibility of scum getting checked wouldn´t be much higher than now. Along with This and informationless posts like On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote: Sorry Time  , Hope we can be friends later on >.<The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz it makes me suspicious of you. ##Vote Bluelightz Also: Why the votes on prplhz? right now I see him as cleared town. | ||
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On February 06 2012 02:55 Sinensis wrote: If someone can explain to me why prplhz is confirmed town without evidencing that he was the one who shot sinani206 I'll change my vote to Bluelightz. I don't see it though. No one counterclaimed. | ||
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On February 06 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote: Kay, defesnse kgo! All your cases seem to be based on some points 1).My switch of reads on BaronFel(ET & mderg's cases) 2).Informaitonless post's 3).the post where I said I was wishy-washy Now my response ~1 If I just said I think BF is Town from his last post would you go crazy on me for that point?Would you forgive me for a mistake in explaining my reads? ~2 Every post has information,in the post you pointed out mderg, I wanted to tell everyone that I think there was atleast 1 scum voting on Time ~3 Wishy-washyness, I don't neccesarily trust some of my reads and that's hat happened on Sinensis. on Sinensis, I don't really think he's scum now. @Lurkers the inactivity in this thread is amazing~(meaning STOP LURKING) 1 Everyone can make mistakes, nothing tragic. But your change of reads was ridiculous, there was nothing that could possibly be able change your mind. 2 Stating the obvious is not information IMO 3 Not trusting your reads is strange. How do you get these reads, if you don´t trust them yourself? Your reads could be wrong but if the reasons are good, it´s (almost) fine. On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote: Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? On February 06 2012 19:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Bluelightz had something going for him like sinani up there. He didn't defend himself when sinani bussed him, but this could be just because someone else (Timeaisis) was already getting the axe so he didn't need to. This could very well be a attempt at distancing as there wasn´t a real threat to get lynched. On February 06 2012 20:59 Bluelightz wrote: Null - mderg, Sinensis : ~mderg's filter doesnt consist of much, I can't really conclude red or green on him.Though, he easily could be town or scum, can't be sure. Interesting... it´s true that I don´t have that many posts but nearly all of my post had (IMO good) content. I´m also quite sure that I contributed to the game better than you. Since you´ve been attacking me more or less for the whole game (even before I made my first post) I think you are too fixated on me. It seems to me like you´re scared of me or something like that. Coincidence that I was role blocked last night? Maybe... but it makes my suspicion even stronger. | ||
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On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote: Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus.  If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. | ||
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On February 07 2012 00:27 TheToast wrote: Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. There is no accusation. I just said that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I? | ||
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