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CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 03 2012 06:00 GMT
#49
/in

I've never played before but I saw Sheth was playing so I figured I had to give it a try!!!
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 02:52 GMT
#111
Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 03:34 GMT
#130
Thanks CookieMaker for the link. And you're right Sheth, if I am leaning toward no lynch that would be a red flag for scum. But wouldn't emphatically being in favor of a lynch be a red flag for scum too since the odds are in favor of townie being accidentally chosen? Oh God this is gonna be so meta.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 05:06 GMT
#142
On January 04 2012 13:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
CatsnHats come on, be counteragressive. I'm picking on you for no real reason. I just want to get you to toughen up. If it comes down to it at the end and someone is agressive like this against you, and you just KNOW hes mafia, you better toughen up.

As of now, I'm going to sleep. So far I've seen one post that worries me. Will tell you guys in the morning :D!


But it's so hard to counteraggressive to the nicest guy in esports! Haha thanks for the advice. Lynching someone is definitely the way to go. Any information gleaned, even at the cost of a townkill, is better than no info at all. I don't have a lot new to add that hasn't been said already, but that's my stance. As for picking who to lynch, I going to reserve judgement until the last few people have started posting.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 16:25 GMT
#157
If Cephiro won't analyze himself, I will. You've advocated lynching from the beginning and have added a lot of original content in the way of statistics and your recent D1 analysis. And even though you admitted earlier that you consider yourself good at mindgames, I still have a town read on you for now.

I also agree that Probulous is strongest town read right now. He has put himself in the spotlight from the beginning with his magnitude of posts, trying to rally the town to discuss and such. It would be hard, especially as the game goes on, to stay with the attention on him that much if he was mafia.

As for my flip-flopping of position, I hope you all can excuse it as my one noobie mistake. I want to clarify that this is my first game ever of mafia in any medium (forum or IRL), not just on TL. And you won't hear anymore noobie excuses from me after this.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 16:44 GMT
#159
On January 05 2012 01:13 Gretorp wrote:

Tuneg,

It doesnt make sense to vote me. If you have watched any NASL or seen me play mafia, you know i'm genius level but inexperienced with mafia. ALL times i've been in tl mafia, i've been a townie so my ability play townie is better than mafia. If you take my genius brain and then apply the situations, the EV for me in general is positive to the point where you dont want to vote me. But you probably know this, hence you want to kick me off because youre a mafia.

SO I VOTE YOU, AND YOUR COUNTRY.

#VOTE TUNEG


Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 16:52 GMT
#160


@ CatsnHats, slightly better. What do you think about Tunkeg's aggressive playstyle?


As for Tunkeg's aggression, right now I'm leaning towards overaggressive townie prodding for reads as opposed to a mafia running smokescreen for himself by accusing others. That being said, 3 accusations on 3 different targets in 3 subsequent posts is a little too much. If he keeps it up at that pace I'll be much more suspicious.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 19:17 GMT
#169
On January 05 2012 01:44 CatsnHats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 01:13 Gretorp wrote:

Tuneg,

It doesnt make sense to vote me. If you have watched any NASL or seen me play mafia, you know i'm genius level but inexperienced with mafia. ALL times i've been in tl mafia, i've been a townie so my ability play townie is better than mafia. If you take my genius brain and then apply the situations, the EV for me in general is positive to the point where you dont want to vote me. But you probably know this, hence you want to kick me off because youre a mafia.

SO I VOTE YOU, AND YOUR COUNTRY.

#VOTE TUNEG


Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me.


I said this earlier in regard to Gretorp's first post and I still stand by it. He backs off in his second post but adds nothing, just promising analysis later, which I look forward to seeing because right now I'm suspicious .

@Sheth You would have a better read on Gretorp though since you have played with him before and invited him to this game. What do you think about his first posts?
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 20:37 GMT
#182
@gonzaw I haven't voted for Gretorp because I thought we weren't supposed to vote until near the end of D1. Throwing a vote out with so many hours left to use for reads isn't very smart. Plus I was waiting for his response, as well as the first posts of Xeris and the return of Blurry, who seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 23:19 GMT
#209
On January 05 2012 07:31 Jitsu wrote:

RE: Catsnhats

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 05 2012 01:52 CatsnHats wrote:
Show nested quote +


@ CatsnHats, slightly better. What do you think about Tunkeg's aggressive playstyle?


As for Tunkeg's aggression, right now I'm leaning towards overaggressive townie prodding for reads as opposed to a mafia running smokescreen for himself by accusing others. That being said, 3 accusations on 3 different targets in 3 subsequent posts is a little too much. If he keeps it up at that pace I'll be much more suspicious.


3 accusations on 3 targets in 3 posts might be too much, but it's a shit-ton better than 0 accusations on 0 targets in a small amount of posts. Out of the three players, you are giving me the hardest scum read out of all. The filler in his post is basically him going through the motions and agreeing/disagreeing with what people have said already.


As of right now, I think you need to post something with substance. You said that you are waiting for the last few lurkers to post. The last few lurkers have posted. Where are you're reads at?



God you all type so fast. By the time I compose a post 5 more have popped up, including posts by AH and CM who were starting to worry me with their inactivity.

The last of the lurkers have not posted. The day started about 22 hours ago and Blurry has said nothing. That certainly doesn't bode well for him.

You want accusations, here are my slight scum reads.

RE: Xeris

Inactive early and his only posted content centers on not lynching after much discussion has already taken place amongst the town about why that is a bad idea. That would seem to be a play for a mafia freekill on N1.

RE: CookieMaker

Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think.

RE: Gretorp

He is the scummiest player so far. From the joke in post one to the back down in post two to this new third post, every response is just too cute and offers nothing in the way of analysis or contribution. Two to three sentence posts of no substance seem very suspicious.

My vote right now would be for Gretorp, but I'm not going to make it official cause I still want to hear more from the three I listed here and Blurry. I hope this is enough for you Jitsu.


meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 23:25 GMT
#213
EBWOP: There are still about 24 hours left in D1 as well. For those who have played before: Does everyone wait to vote at around the deadline or is it more scattered? And to clarify since Tunkeg's post happened while I was posting, I don't have very pro town reads on anyone, just slight/neutrals at this point.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 04 2012 23:39 GMT
#216
On January 05 2012 08:31 AnxiousHippo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:25 CatsnHats wrote:
EBWOP: There are still about 24 hours left in D1 as well. For those who have played before: Does everyone wait to vote at around the deadline or is it more scattered? And to clarify since Tunkeg's post happened while I was posting, I don't have very pro town reads on anyone, just slight/neutrals at this point.
People usually just vote whenever they feel like it (once the thread is made of course...), you can change your vote later if need be.


So the pressure votes people are making aren't set in stone? That's good to know. If that's the case then, I feel pretty comfortable throwing out a pressure vote.

##Vote Gretorp Say something, anything of substance please.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 01:46 GMT
#229
On January 05 2012 08:19 CatsnHats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 07:31 Jitsu wrote:

RE: Catsnhats

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 05 2012 01:52 CatsnHats wrote:
Show nested quote +


@ CatsnHats, slightly better. What do you think about Tunkeg's aggressive playstyle?


As for Tunkeg's aggression, right now I'm leaning towards overaggressive townie prodding for reads as opposed to a mafia running smokescreen for himself by accusing others. That being said, 3 accusations on 3 different targets in 3 subsequent posts is a little too much. If he keeps it up at that pace I'll be much more suspicious.


3 accusations on 3 targets in 3 posts might be too much, but it's a shit-ton better than 0 accusations on 0 targets in a small amount of posts. Out of the three players, you are giving me the hardest scum read out of all. The filler in his post is basically him going through the motions and agreeing/disagreeing with what people have said already.


As of right now, I think you need to post something with substance. You said that you are waiting for the last few lurkers to post. The last few lurkers have posted. Where are you're reads at?



God you all type so fast. By the time I compose a post 5 more have popped up, including posts by AH and CM who were starting to worry me with their inactivity.

The last of the lurkers have not posted. The day started about 22 hours ago and Blurry has said nothing. That certainly doesn't bode well for him.

You want accusations, here are my slight scum reads.

RE: Xeris

Inactive early and his only posted content centers on not lynching after much discussion has already taken place amongst the town about why that is a bad idea. That would seem to be a play for a mafia freekill on N1.

RE: CookieMaker

Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think.

RE: Gretorp

He is the scummiest player so far. From the joke in post one to the back down in post two to this new third post, every response is just too cute and offers nothing in the way of analysis or contribution. Two to three sentence posts of no substance seem very suspicious.

My vote right now would be for Gretorp, but I'm not going to make it official cause I still want to hear more from the three I listed here and Blurry. I hope this is enough for you Jitsu.




Hey Probulous. I don't know if you saw this before you posted. It was about 2 hours before you posted so it's in the time range you gave for not being able to read it yet. It includes my thoughts on CookieMaker you asked for. As for Xeris and Gretorp. I don't think not contributing at this point is an excuse for them being clean. In regards to make vote, I asked for clarification on the voting process and AnxiousHippo answered. I didn't want to be locked in because there are 23 hours left til the deadline. After I learned that I wouldn't be locked in, I voted for Gretorp to pressure him to add content. I even explained that in the post quoted below. I hope you just hadn't read these yet. Otherwise you just picked posts that supported your case and blatantly left off the one's that exonerated me.



On January 05 2012 08:39 CatsnHats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:31 AnxiousHippo wrote:
On January 05 2012 08:25 CatsnHats wrote:
EBWOP: There are still about 24 hours left in D1 as well. For those who have played before: Does everyone wait to vote at around the deadline or is it more scattered? And to clarify since Tunkeg's post happened while I was posting, I don't have very pro town reads on anyone, just slight/neutrals at this point.
People usually just vote whenever they feel like it (once the thread is made of course...), you can change your vote later if need be.


So the pressure votes people are making aren't set in stone? That's good to know. If that's the case then, I feel pretty comfortable throwing out a pressure vote.

##Vote Gretorp Say something, anything of substance please.

meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 01:49 GMT
#230
EBWOP: As for Gretorp, the rest of the town and I are still waiting for you to add content. I'll be more specific so you can't wiggle your way into a non-response. What are your reads on Sheth and Xeris? You have played with them before IRL so I think you opinion is important in regards to them.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 04:10 GMT
#264
@Jitsu You have so much wrong about me I don't know where to start. I waited around 2 hours and 30 posts before I first commented. How is that lurking, especially for it being my first game? Others waited much longer and did not draw your attention. I was the second person to talk about Gretorp, and I was the first to call him out on his response to Tunkeg's prod. And how could I have changed my top 3 scum reads when that was the first time I posted them? Gretorp stayed on the list, Xeris advocated no-lynch, and CM had been very shady (as was explained in the post and echoed by others later). I kept pressing and pressing Gretorp because I stuck to my stance and he hadn't answered yet, but that is explained because he works all day for NASL. I await his response. I appreciate your concern, and like your aggression for me to explain myself. I have a town read for you, and I hope this clarifies things.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 04:23 GMT
#268
On January 05 2012 12:27 Jitsu wrote:
Also, just so I have it here. I am willing to bet that if Cats dies and flips red, Cookie will too.


Also why would Cookie flip red too? He's been on my scum list from the beginning and he has now voted for me.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 05:01 GMT
#284
On January 05 2012 12:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
\
@CatsNHats -You seem oh so scummy. Whats your take on lynching Cephiro? Would you be willing to join in on this little train we're starting?

Anyone else willing to hop on board, don't forget to pack a vote.


Yeah I know I look scummy. People are holding my first two newb posts against me and it's clouding their judgement on the rest of my play. At this point in the game Cephiro is definitely more scummy than Gretorp, especially in light of Gretorp promising a long post and his being at work all day. If he follows through it would alleviate a lot of my concerns with him. That would leave CookieMaker and Xeris from my original list. They haven't done anything to be removed from it either.

Prob's analysis of Cephiro is very well thought out and cited, and your follow-up is logical. But all of this talk back and forth between you too and "what happens if we lynch a green and I thought he was red, what does that make me look like to the town" talk is very circular and frankly unneeded at this point. It's just dead text to me. We should focus on who's the scummiest, not the repercussions of being wrong on your read. Be confident and we'll deal with the effects after the lynch, not before.

That being said, despite your circular theoretical talk, at this point I'm confident in your analysis of Cephiro and think he is more of a threat than Gretorp.
So ##unvote Gretorp
##vote Cephiro
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 05:04 GMT
#285
EBWOP: I know this makes me look even more bandwaggony to you Jitsu. But I can't worry about your thoughts about me. I just need to help find scum and let my play speak for itself.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 05:45 GMT
#292
For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 06:13 GMT
#297
On January 05 2012 14:53 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 14:45 CatsnHats wrote:
For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there.


Again, don't tell us who you think is town, who are the mafia? If you don't think Sheth, Jitsu and myself are mafia, why cast suspicion on us? You're seemingly convinced that both CM and Cephiro are mafia based off of other people's analysis. Who is the third mafia?


I just getting all the possibilities out there, and I said that you all being mafia was low probability, so if anything that would be taking suspicion from you. As I have said before from the beginning, my third (albeit a distant one relative to the others) at the moment is Xeris due to his no-lynch posts, lurking, and non-responses to player questions. He has left very little material to go on, but that is my third for now. For me it's Cephiro>CM>Xeris. I could see Xeris dropping off this list though when he, Gretorp, AH, Blurry, and others post again.
meow
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