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I went over Sandro's posts again, and this stuck out to me: On November 16 2011 20:18 sandroba wrote: I agree with what you said about wiggles and there is always the statistical benefit of lynching wiggles, even when there is no evidence on him =P But seriously, his posts screams to me "look at me guyz, I'm being helpful and trying to find scum!". He seems to be trying to blend in too hard. I'd rather see some more from him before pushing for his lynch though, hopefully he will comply. prplhz seems town to me this game, so maybe that means he is mafia? (j/k prpl =P) errandor is interesting. His play this game is way different than any game I've played with him before, and one thing that's clear for sure is that he is trying his best to win this one. I'm leaning town, mainly because he is arguing against the hiro lynch which seems reasonable to me at this point. Onto my weak scum suspect, Meapak: what do you think about this guy? He weak FOSes Wiggles, but doesn't vote him or do anything else. No pressure really on Wiggles at this point. On November 17 2011 09:13 sandroba wrote: Fuck man, there is not much argument against lynching wiggles. No one is really pushing a second candidate (MZ is pushing hiro, but not too strongly, I would expect him to put a lot more effort into it if he was mafia with wiggles). Jaybrundage is looking real scummy to me and voting wiggles too. =/ Then when the tide starts turning he tries to soft defend Wiggles. Makes a half-hearted attempt to push Jay. There are 4 votes on Wiggles at this point, meaning he's leading the lynch. Then Palmar posts this On November 17 2011 09:42 Palmar wrote: yeah sure. In a 2 scum game I wouldn't expect scum to ever come to the defense of their partner, especially when their partner gets called out by both myself and sandroba, unless there is very obvious evidence the accused is town, it'd be damn near suicide to try to defend. Better let the accused fend for himself. Like I know I'd bus my partner so hard if he came under suspicion day 1. Immediately after Sandro sees the futility in defending him and goes: On November 17 2011 09:57 sandroba wrote: ... Alright, lets roll with this. ##Vote: Mr.Wiggles On top of this, the next day Sandro has the audacity to claim he was the sole person who got wiggles lynched: On November 19 2011 13:52 sandroba wrote: @jaybrundage Man, do you realise I basically was the main force changing the lynch form hiro onto Wiggles? No one was voting for wiggles before I said I thought hiro was not scum and explained how wiggles "It was a trap for scum!" bullshit made no sense and seemed artificial. I shifted the discussion with palmer towards wiggles and then put in the last vote on him, even though I had cold feet since no one seemed to be defending him. All this considered there is absolutely no way I'm scum this game and no matter how new you are you should realise this. Also you say I'm scum in all your posts and votes wbg? Only because someone else is voting for him? I swear man, if you are not scum this game mafia is not your thing at all =/ Apart from the fact that Wiggles was already leading the vote when Sandro switched, Sandro posted NO CASE against wiggles whatsoever, just a weak FOS in a post where he also FOSed Jay, and then later on Meapak. Votes when Sandro should have voted for Wiggles: On November 16 2011 22:25 Radfield wrote: Vote Count Wherebugsgo (4) Erandorr Palmer jaybrundage hiro protagonist hiro protagonist (3) prplhz Meapak_Ziphh Wherebugsgo Mr Wiggles and sandroba have not voted Since there are 9 people, 5 votes are needed to reach majority Day ends in 12 and a half hours Votes when Sandro actually voted: On November 17 2011 09:46 chaoser wrote: Vote Count Wiggles (4) Erandorr Palmer prplhz hiro protagonist wherebugsgo (1) jaybrundage hiro protagonist (2) Meapak_Ziphh Wherebugsgo Meapak_Ziphh (1) Mr Wiggles sandroba has not voted Since there are 9 people, 5 votes are needed to reach majority Day ends in about 1 hour Also notice that Sandro and Wiggles were the 2 people who waited to vote on day 1. | ||
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On November 25 2011 07:32 sandroba wrote: Are you insane decon? I pointed out why wiggles was suspicious before anyone else did. The I moved the discussion to wiggles and palmar is the one who agrees with me. Have you read my posts and do you think wbg's night actions are solid? Nope. On November 25 2011 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Sandro you're a liar. I was the first one to point it out, not you. Also nope. It was Meapak/me: On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Look at the timestamps: On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On November 16 2011 09:02 wherebugsgo wrote: On November 16 2011 19:10 sandroba wrote: | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:21 sandroba wrote: How is that going to help. Mafia can hold off their shot forever if they want. And we can hold off the lynch forever, whats your point? If the remaining mafia isn't a dick he'll shoot. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote: decon imagine we're in a day 5 situation after no-lynching day 4, and scum has shot prpl, he has flipped doctor. What is different about that situation than this one? The fact that prpl can't vote and you only need 2 for majority? It clears prpl 100%. We're going to look pretty dumb if he's the last mafia. Also as far as I can tell prpl has refused to vote for anyone but you, so we don't have much of a choice. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote: He can't be scum unless I was RBed on n2. And there's a 20% chance that happened. Are you really suggesting we shouldn't maximize our win chance? | ||
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 #Vote Sandroba WBG's claim looks legit enough. He claimed at the start of the day and has breadcrumbed it. Also think about this: If he's lying, he tried to kill Sandroba last night and prpl saved. He then knows that either: -There's a jailer that jailed him -There's a jailed that jailed sandro -There's a doc that saved sandro By far the safest blue role to claim at this point is cop. There's a 2/3 chance there will be a jailer CC. Again, given how early in the day the claim came, I really don;t think he would risk it as mafia. | ||
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On November 25 2011 16:00 prplhz wrote: @deconduo How do you feel about how hard sandroba shut down hiro protagonist as lynch candidate for day1? He really stuck his neck out there, there wasn't too much analysis it was just "I looks more like he just accidentally". That was really ballsy, and that was at a point where attention was slowly shifting towards Mr. Wiggles. Why the hell would a scum sandroba do this? He could have pushed hiro protagonist harder and he has a lot of town sway, that could very likely have ended in a hiro protagonist lynch on day1, and a hiro protagonist lynch that no one could blame anybody for because the dude didn't really bring his a-game. I wouldn't call this a 'hard shut down' On November 16 2011 19:10 sandroba wrote: I don't like the hiro lynch. I've read his posts and while his logic path is not stellar, his posts seem genuine and doesn't seem like he is trying to hide. I see him arguing controversial issues and not thinking carefully before he posts. Not mafia imo. I'm not quite sold on any lynch in particular yet, but I'm against lynching hiro. It looked like hiro was going to be lynched at that point anyway. I know as mafia its great to oppose a townlynch when it looks like there's no way of stopping it, you get town cred for free. I doubt he thought the lynch would flip to wiggles so quickly, and I think his posts reflect that. As scum you don't want to be on the town lynch, you want to oppose it but still have the lynch happen. If at the time he posted the above he instead used all his town cred to get hiro lynched, there would have been a lot of scrutiny on him day 2. Again, I'm pretty sure he thought hiro would get lynched, and he just wanted to FOS wiggles for town cred later if wiggles got caught. He could then push the people who voted for the hiro lynch the next day. He didn't think the lynch would change so fast, and by the time he realised it it was too late and he had to bus. On November 25 2011 16:00 prplhz wrote: Your point that sandroba voted Mr. Wiggles because wherebugsgo or Meapak_Ziphh would have voted hiro protagonist just to avoid a null lynch is stupid. It is insane. They both voted hiro protagonist, so if he had achieved majority (Meapak_Ziphh, wherebugsgo, jaybrundage, sandroba, Mr. Wiggles), and they all thought that hiro protagonist was more scummy, and then they suddenly changed to Mr. Wiggles? That would make no sense, a townie would never do that, and a scum would never change his vote to push his buddy into the gallows in place of a very scummy townie. PLEASE I think you misunderstood something because I never said anything like that. I said Sandroba voted for wiggles because it was too late to save him, there was already 4 votes on him and the tide had turned. He did it to save face. | ||
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On November 26 2011 02:22 sandroba wrote: Yes of course! This makes sense! I planed a hard bus on wiggles, so I got people thinking he was suspicious, but instead of voting for him early to get the max amount of town cred I vote him late. Yes! Please show me where I said you planned a hard bus on Wiggles lol. That's the exact opposite of what I said... | ||
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On November 26 2011 06:57 prplhz wrote: I am very uncomfortable with you listening to me. We all know that you're jailer now, you can start being KICKASS again, you can't hide behind your "Oh I'm trying to not attract any scum attention because then maybe they'll kill me and I'm blue!" anymore. I'm not really the best townie around and I can mention 5 things I missed on those points I just made, and it would surprise me if wherebugsgo couldn't mention 500 things more. If deconduo and sandroba find out that they'd rather lynch wherebugsgo I'm still all for that, lol. Also, this has been a very fun game. It's really hard to tie scum to somebody else when he dies night1. I think we wasted 2 lynches just blindly following sandroba on his crusade against newer players. These things have left us in a pretty hard situation here at mylo. I don;t have much of a choice it seems if I can't convince you Sandro is scum. ##Unvote ##Vote WhereBugsGo | ||
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On November 26 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: lol prpl he just literally said, "I can't convince you sandro is scum so I'm going to vote with you to try and get the lynch off me." He just said less than 12 hours ago that my claim was really solid and believable, and that sandro was sure scum. Now within an instant of me changing my mind he enters the thread and says he's voting me because he can't convince you that sandro is scum. You realize how bad that is? I have 2 choices: -I die -You die I know I'm town. I THINK you're town, but I have no way of knowing. 5% chance to win is better than 0% | ||
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On November 26 2011 07:23 wherebugsgo wrote: The fact that you're using this false dichotomy is hilarious. Did you completely forget about the choice you had like an hour ago, to convince us sandro is scum? Now you're not even trying to convince us sandro is scum, you're trying to convince sandro that I'm scum, since you know prpl will jump on that lynch faster than you can say "derp." Thanks for making my job easy, now I'm 100% sure you're scum. I tried convincing you guys Sandro was scum. You are both voting for me. It didn't work. I'm gone in 20min so I don't have a choice. You dying is better than me dying, but both are bad. I have no choice though, so GG mafia. | ||
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##Vote Sandroba My last post, see you guys tomorrow. | ||
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