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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 01 2011 13:39 GMT
#18
/in as replacement
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 00:17 GMT
#353
Hai guise. Lets catch some mafias
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 00:39 GMT
#355
On November 04 2011 09:30 prplhz wrote:
Hai deconduo. Die

Yeah you're scum.

On November 03 2011 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:
On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:
On November 03 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:
On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.

For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches.


Lynch minus two is three votes.

Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either.

In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch.

Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie.

I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green.


GM are you not understanding what I'm saying?

A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes.



gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha

Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P

In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one.


...

I'm suspicious, but I'll let this slide for a sec because something bigger just appeared


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On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:
On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:
On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote.

Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis.


Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town.


What in the eff

Pretending you don't know what your role is, is something that scum like to do. You're advocating people split their team up so your team makes less mistakes (townies should not be afraid of making mistakes, but scum should be).

Town don't strive to prevent all mistakes. Town strive to find scum. That's it. On the contrary, it's SCUM who strive to prevent mistakes. They don't want to be caught.

So...not only is your "plan" unworkable, the things you are suggesting we should do are what scum would do, not town.

##vote Team Edward


Dumb doesn't mean scum. This is a terrible reason for voting someone. Anyone who comes up with a bad plan is usually town if you look at past games.

On November 03 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote:
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On November 03 2011 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.

Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.

##Vote: TEAM VIKING



Could you elaborate?

Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum.

If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead?


For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here.


On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote:
On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.

Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.

##Vote: TEAM VIKING



Could you elaborate?

Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum.

If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead?

I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan.

You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide...

Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts?


You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh.

I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm.

And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan?

I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more.

But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts.


This. Its a new player with an ill-thought out plan.

As for Sandroba's No-Lynch day 1 plan, it has merits but as has been pointed out you shouldn't declare a no-lynch at the start of the day as all the extra scumhunting time is just wasted. The only exception to this would be a mylo situation where a mislynch would be a loss and a no-lynch would give an extra round of night actions.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 00:49 GMT
#359
On November 04 2011 09:39 deconduo wrote:
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On November 04 2011 09:30 prplhz wrote:
Hai deconduo. Die

Yeah you're scum.


At my first quick readthrough of the thread I got a bad vibe from you. All the posts I spotted were one-liner non-contributions that mostly amounted to spam. However upon closer inspection this post and this post were pretty good, so maybe you aren't mafia.

Apart from Sandroba, who do you think is scummy?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#364
On November 04 2011 10:10 prplhz wrote:
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On November 04 2011 09:49 deconduo wrote:
On November 04 2011 09:39 deconduo wrote:
On November 04 2011 09:30 prplhz wrote:
Hai deconduo. Die

Yeah you're scum.


At my first quick readthrough of the thread I got a bad vibe from you. All the posts I spotted were one-liner non-contributions that mostly amounted to spam. However upon closer inspection this post and this post were pretty good, so maybe you aren't mafia.

Apart from Sandroba, who do you think is scummy?


I don't like RebirthOfLegend and Kurumi. They have done absolutely nothing this game and then Kurumi shows up with a pro-mafia game and goes all Chezinu (am I using it right?). I mean there is nothing redeeming about that team, I have played with both of them before and they are capable of so much more.

Apart from Sandroba, who do you think is scummy?


Went through redFF's posts, they are all one liners. Checked who his partner is. Went through kitaman's posts. Also composed mostly of one liners coupled with some filler number crunching. I particularly liked this post:

On November 03 2011 23:05 kitaman27 wrote:
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On November 03 2011 10:22 sandroba wrote:
I have aditional thoughts on the setup which I'll save for discussion half way through the day.


Was there a reason you wanted to wait rather than contribute now? Also, was there a reason you wanted us to know you were waiting?

I'm also looking forward to hearing from Radfield. I still don't forgive him for his sneaky disappearance during Salem.

Team Nipple, Team Switzerland and Team SS aren't pulling their weight yet. In a mini game where we only have 2 mislynches until we are at LYLO, we can't afford a slow start, especially with the threat of not being able to reach a majority.


Calls out teams for not pulling their weight when neither he nor redFF had done ANYTHING at that point. Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 14:38 GMT
#400
On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:
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On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now.


Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy.

At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with.

1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND


redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner.

Vote: Team Red21
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 16:16 GMT
#429
On November 05 2011 00:51 redFF wrote:
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On November 04 2011 23:21 GMarshal wrote:
As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.

there are no clues in this game, i haven't talked about lurking once. i haven't defended anyone and i have had scumreads on you and wbg this game, and also team SS (which ill get to)
Show nested quote +

So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia?

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RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.


i counter you with PYP interesting, i am in a hydra with ON I think its fairly obvious who is posting what. i was town.

also PTP2

both games im town, both games i post spammy one liners. Contrary to your belief GM, you don't need to post page long walls of bullshit to be town.

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING
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On November 04 2011 23:38 deconduo wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now.


Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy.

At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with.

1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND


redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner.

Vote: Team Red21

GM posts long fos, decon sheeps it with no original thought, decon attempts to start shitty bandwagon on a townie to save his scummy ass from being lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote Team SS


Hint, I already said I was going to vote you last night once I got sandro's approval. Read the thread.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#431
On November 05 2011 00:51 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 23:21 GMarshal wrote:
As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.

there are no clues in this game, i haven't talked about lurking once. i haven't defended anyone and i have had scumreads on you and wbg this game, and also team SS (which ill get to)
Show nested quote +

So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia?

Show nested quote +

RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.


i counter you with PYP interesting, i am in a hydra with ON I think its fairly obvious who is posting what. i was town.

also PTP2

both games im town, both games i post spammy one liners. Contrary to your belief GM, you don't need to post page long walls of bullshit to be town.

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING
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On November 04 2011 23:38 deconduo wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now.


Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy.

At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with.

1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND


redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner.

Vote: Team Red21

GM posts long fos, decon sheeps it with no original thought, decon attempts to start shitty bandwagon on a townie to save his scummy ass from being lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote Team SS


EBWOP: In fact you're the one who's trying to save your scummy ass by trying to get the shitty bandwagon back onto me.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 17:24 GMT
#477
##Unvote: Team red21

If red21 is faking and there is a real parity cop, you HAVE to counterclaim now. It is worth it as there is a 66% chance you can be saved tonight and therefore mafia can't afford to target you.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 17:59 GMT
#501
On November 05 2011 02:44 Kurumi wrote:
I am taking notes while re-reading the thread, sometimes looking what's new, so please wait
About the claim, how many votes we've had on the Team Red21? 3? Was such "move" needed? I understand that claiming is last resort for both scum and town. I think if we've got a fake claim right here, Parity Cop will get to the truth in two night hopefully.
Anyway, assuming the claim is true, what should we do if is Jailor is present? Would locking them be a good decision? With Doctor it's risk-gain thing as always, Mafia might but does not need to hit them.
As for Jailor protect, we might avoid getting them killed. The thing is, we're not moving on with any of our powers. No check through PC and no check through offensive jailing, but Mafia got their check and they're one step ahead of us.
With this in mind, my opinion about no-lynch has changed. In this situation, we can't give the unnecessary edge to Scum.


Jailer should jail tonight for two reasons:

-Discourages mafia from hitting red21. If we tell jailer not to jail then theres only a 33% chance of them being protected vs 66% chance.

-If we have a jailer, red21 will have to claim they were jailed tomorrow. This way if its a setup with doc+jailer they will be CCd tomorrow.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 19:28 GMT
#514
Team viking attempted to bandwagon twice, first on Team SS and then on Team red21.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 21:31 GMT
#537
On November 05 2011 06:06 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm willing to consider SS, if not for the fact that they are completely absent from discussion.


You do know I replaced sevryn right?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 21:38 GMT
#539
Ok, Sandro is not around so I'm going to have to do this myself.

##Vote Team Viking

Prpl has been pretty spammy and unhelpful and Forumite is even worse. They have attempted to bandwagon twice.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 21:39 GMT
#540
And Sandro not being around isn't a scumtell FFS. I've spoken to him for 15minutes since I joined. I haven't even been able to talk to him. The only case against us is that he recommended a no-lynch, which he already explained was a ploy.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 22:15 GMT
#570
Oh and if Viking flip scum then I'm pretty sure team Chezinu is the last mafia.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 06 2011 13:23 GMT
#704
I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia. There was no reason not to try and kill off Radfield at the first opportunity. Saying 'there was only 1KP' means nothing, when you look at the alternative hits. No point killing me + Sandro as we barely avoided a lynch. No point killing bum+iGrok as they weren't really doing anything. Radfield is the best scumhunter in the game and WBG has been super active. I would be very surprised if they weren't scum.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 06 2011 19:26 GMT
#724
On November 07 2011 04:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, you of all people should know that I never fear changing my opinion as town.

In Resurrection, for example, I jumped all over Jackal after pushing Ace repeatedly for hours because of the simple reason that I didn't believe his claim. I still thought Ace was scummy but Jackal became the better lynch simply because his claim didn't make sense.

The fact that you think the consideration of new information is scummy is more an indicator of your alignment than it is of mine.


So you're saying that Sandro killed Team Switzerland, AND THEN FORGOT ABOUT IT? lol.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 06 2011 20:49 GMT
#731
On November 07 2011 05:23 redFF wrote:
scumteam is gm+wbg called it


Thats what I though initially, but now I'm leaning towards Chezinu+Nipple. GM had no reason to defend me+sandro yesterday, so I'm not sure why he would do that as mafia. Still you guys should be able to check one of them to find the last scum.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 07 2011 12:09 GMT
#762
On November 07 2011 20:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
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On November 07 2011 12:49 Kavdragon wrote:
On November 07 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:
GM is too busy with his pony colt.


Corrected.

The greatest typo of all time, or most clever pun of all time?


If you are town, the fact that you can come into the thread and make comments like this yet even one relevent post is beyond you make me sad. There's a pretty good chance of you getting lynched and I would much prefer if you came back to make some sort of a fight.

Team Chezinu has to die today, if they don't this game is lost. The AFKers are too willing to sheep WBG because its easy to agree with someone who makes long posts if you don't actually read them and realise how repetitve and meaningless they are.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 07 2011 18:35 GMT
#793
On November 07 2011 22:14 GMarshal wrote:
How are his posts repetitive and meaningless? Its easy to make blanket statements, harder to prove them. Prove it, decon. As to everyone who is using "if I were scum, I would have killed team Chezinu", I suggest you read up on the term, WIFOM. Maybe scum is outsourcing the problem, maybe they were afraid of jailkeepers, maybe they were high, don't make assumptions based on who the mafia kills. The only people who can say for sure why someone died is the mafia.


Radfield: This one is pretty straightforward.

First off I'll compare his voting from his last 2 games before this one, PYPI where he was town, and LOTR where he was scum. Have a look at these posts from the start PYPI:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&currentpage=13#246
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&currentpage=13#249
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&currentpage=15#288

Good, well thought out posts with a lot of effort obviously put in. Next look at the start of LOTR:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&currentpage=8#156

While this is good advice and helpful, its obvious that he hasn't put anything close to the same amount of effort into it. When he is scum he doesn't feel the need to put as much thought into his posts. Like with this game:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&currentpage=16#317
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&currentpage=16#310

He just gives his thoughts on the no-lynch plan but doesn't actually go into any detail like he would if he was town. Its just an easy out to post something without having to do some scumhunting.

If you filter his posts from PYPI and from LOTR and this game you'll see what I'm talking about. The difference is very clear between minimal effort and actual interest and work put into winning the game.

On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:
This is bullshit Sandro, and you should know it. It is not remotely suspicious that me and bugs are not dead after a single night kill. Day 3 maybe, Day 4 sure, but not after a single KP. Me and bugs were originally the only team composed of two very active experienced players. That makes us both a target for KP and protection, and that should be obvious. However, there exist two teams just below that threshold: Sandro+Decon, and iGrok + Bum. The fact that iGrok and Bum got hit is not remotely surprising, especially after Bum showed he was playing the game.


Bumatlarge had just subbed in and had very few posts. iGrok had 10 one-liners and nothing else. Me+Sandro narrowly avoided a lynch. Protection was always going to be on red21. If mafia was going to hit anyone it was going to be Chezinu. Yet they didn't. On top of this, Radfield completely denies that this is unusual, claiming that bum+iGrok was a decent alternative when its clear that is complete bullshit. Mafia might have had their reasons for not hitting Chezinu, but Radfield denying that they would be a prime target is a massive scumtell.

There's not a whole lot else to go on with Radfield as he has been sick, but this should be enough for now.

I'm working on WBG at the moment, will post in a bit.

On November 07 2011 22:14 GMarshal wrote:
Seriously, you guys want team chezinu lynched? Provide a case, because right now, I'm seeing "wbg is active and rad is a good player, they are alive, ergo, scum!"


Hopefully that will do the trick for Radfield at least. At least consider that their entire case against us is 'Sandroba made a typo'

On November 08 2011 01:15 GreYMisT wrote:
And Decon, Maybe I missed some hidden reasoning somewhere, but why must "Team Chezinu die today." you slammed RoL for coming into the thread to say nothing of consequence, but you yourself have been casually pushing for their lynch from the start. Why?


Casually pushing for who's lynch? I haven't been pushing for either RoL or Radfield's lynch from the start so I'm confused. I've been somewhat suspicious of Team Nipple but never went anywhere near pushing for their lynch. I only started on Radfield today because him not dying made me suspicious enough to look at his posts in depth. While I've felt that WBG has been scummy has hell throughout the game, my first impressions of Radfield were pro-town.
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