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On October 12 2011 14:05 syllogism wrote: We should make a general tier list of roles as it will definitely help avoiding conflicts and overall help players who aren't familiar with the roles and their utility. Ver's PYPI postgame list is a good starting point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235829 That is not to say you have to pick according to any tier list, just encouraged, and we should mix in defensive roles among the top tier. Further, I encourage everyone to read the role list rather carefully, as even standard roles may function in surprising ways. For instance framer Meanwhile watcher is completely useless I will be on skype and later today on irc FOOL! You will eat these words before this game is through! This may or may not be me claiming I will pick watcher depending on my numbers. | ||
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Radfield or jimbo for mayor I am assuming. | ||
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On October 13 2011 16:08 Scamp wrote: 20/20 8th pick, not too shabby. Well you know what they say, hindsight is + Show Spoiler + 20/20 + Show Spoiler + YYEEEEEEEEAAAAAA- | ||
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One great aspect is that opposing scum teams will probably overlap roles that mafia would normally take for free if town didn't actively deny it. Mafia won't be wasting time denying town roles at this point so I think grabbing these roles assures we will get a better assortment then any one scum team. + Show Spoiler + Ace - Lie is the big word here  America - Spotlight role, causes confusion most of the time but puts a focus on America from all factions. Assassin - Because you can't name GREEN, I think it's much better for town, as it has a safeguard if they repeatedly name RED. A less restricted CV role is better for scum. Bad Santa - With more inherent KP, I think this is pretty good information grab for town that doesn't necessarily need to be used, while for mafia, it's maybe 1 kill or just some info that's more easily attainable with other roles. Bullet Bill - Great town role, and I don't see mafia's use for this. Day Vigilante - similar to america, spotlight and such. Detective - alignment is useless to mafia, while this will be more sought after then other role finders Dreamflower - Town will risk killing themselves instead of another townie, mafia will not :D NKVD Agent - alignment no role Parity Cop - alignment no role Puppeteer - A strong scumhunter at the bottom of the list could make good use of this, and I believe you can PM the smurf? Tracker - Information Watcher - Information These roles I feel a scum team has much less use for then town does. If you are town and not sure what to pick, I suggest picking one of these roles, as they help town by nature, or are useless or spotlight driven to mafia. It can be argued that mafia could take one of these roles to appear pro-town, but between having to prove themselves to us and not getting nailed by enemy scum requires a lot of work that could easily collapse. I feel like we are much to vigilant for this sort of thing to slip by us. I think I know what I'm talking about here because I have tried it many times as scum  I wouldn't attempt it in this set-up. | ||
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On October 14 2011 14:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If you're scum, then yes, that is true. Otherwise, I won't kick you. Unless doing so would get your vote, then I would. Oh ok then, I thought I was your lynch candidate or something. I do agree that a town pardoner would be better for us then a mafia mayor and mr wiggles is a reasonable guy. Although there are multiple factions and it is likely at least one has chosen not to have a candidate, it's logical that there are multile scum candidates. I would support a mayor who can accurately pick out a scummy guy in the running. Also, syllo and mig on the same scum team would be pretty lol. I'll believe that syllo thinks mig is town, and that syllo isn't scum. But that's gut stuff, I want to hear what mig has to say. I like radfield or jimbo, as soon as they identify their lynch target I'll choose between them, but I would prefer wiggles or mig as pardoner, since I feel they are town. Mayor = Smart, spotlighted Pardoner = Clearly town Those are the aspects I'm looking for. | ||
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1) The sandroba, mig, syllo thing is completely circular, and while I'm fairly certain the are not all scum, it's silly logic without proof, just "PM" reads, which cannot be taken too seriously by town. Claiming you think an individual is town ( and not just one in this instance), is useless information, and it has been stated many times before that we would rathe hear who is 50% scum rather then 99.9% town, even if it's to make them a mayor. Mayor is overrated yo, (pardoner may not be though :X) 2) Alright so that trio has been talking right? I'm sure if they have concluded that they are all town, then they must have been discussing reads as well. The first course of action a mayor takes is lynching someone, so even if it's not his most important job, it should be on the top of his to-do list to figure out. I haven't seen a clear-cut answer from them, which is a must, regardless of how important you make it out to be. Radfield is a close second, but I feel much more strongly about sandroba being scum then mig. I don't really fear either of them as mayor. Scum-mayors almost seem like more of a hassle for enemy scum rather then town, where mayor holds little sway. Pardoner seems directly bad for town, and a good townie pardoner would in most cases never use it. I'm still flipping through the candidates to who would be the best pardoner. Saying "I won't use it!" doesn't count. | ||
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On October 15 2011 11:09 chaoser wrote: Ok, so since no one else wants to talk about it, I'll talk about it. Scum Hunting. I am horrible at picking plans and I'm horrible at talking about elections. The one thing I'm good at is scum hunting. I'm willing to lynch DropBear off his horrible Framer idea and then his defense for not letting it get banned. His logic is weak as fuck for his defense: [13:23] <DropBear> you guys need to think outside the box [13:23] <DropBear> there are 43% mafia in this game [13:24] <DropBear> i will be negating them [13:24] <DropBear> it is easy [13:24] <DropBear> i simply dont use my role the first couple of days [13:24] <DropBear> and use it later on when there are strong suspects [13:24] <DropBear> and redirect their actions [13:24] <kitaman27_> how do we know you're not using your role? [13:25] <chaoser> what makes you think you'll survive the first couple of days? [13:25] <chaoser> what makes you think you won't be roleblocked? [13:25] <mudkip> nobody sees the third party but you say you are [13:25] <chaoser> and then we're fucked [13:25] <kitaman27_> you could be masking scum as town and we would never know [13:25] <chaoser> cause do we believe you were actually roleblocked [13:25] <chaoser> or that you are lying [13:25] <mudkip> and if you dont get it should we just innately believe you [13:25] <chaoser> if you say you were thief-ed then what? [13:25] <chaoser> what about role swap? [13:25] <mudkip> theres too many things that can go wrong with town choosing framer [13:25] <chaoser> how are you goign to stop those? [13:26] <DropBear> ok [13:26] <DropBear> lets say i pick doctor [13:26] <DropBear> what happens if i get theifed? [13:26] <DropBear> or roleswapped? [13:26] <DropBear> the same fucking thing lol [13:26] <chaoser> if you pick doctor you wouln't be fucking claiming it in thread [13:26] <DropBear> what happens if i choose cupid? [13:32] <DropBear> kita [13:32] <DropBear> where does it say [13:32] <DropBear> that mafia kp is not redirected [13:32] <chaoser> i just posted [13:32] <chaoser> in thread [13:32] <DropBear> oh [13:32] <DropBear> thanks [13:32] <DropBear> well then fuck framer lol [13:33] <DropBear> that was the whole idea i had [13:33] <DropBear> fuck i gotta choose something different now -_- [13:33] <kitaman27_> the purpose of you taking it was for role denail [13:33] <kitaman27_> not because it was good for town Kita first introduced the idea for framer to be picked to deny it to mafia/honesty check. Dropbear quotes it and immediately says he wants to do it. I suggest that if he picks it that we should ban it from him to get it out of the game and immediately he is very much against it when it's a very protown thing to do. He then uses shitty logic and doesn't give up until the final real reason (redirecting KP) is shown to be impossible. Dropbear might be stupid or he might be scum, or even both, but this seems more like you using dropbear's poor play as a trampoline. I don't think dropbear is scum at the moment regardless of his bad logic, but I am very suspicious of you making this a viable out. This lynch is rimmed with uncertainty. You are willing to lynch him, but you hardly seem convinced. Actually scumhunt when you say you will and then lynch them because they are scum. Are you still running chaoser? | ||
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On October 16 2011 08:41 JimboSilvers wrote: So, just to point it out, I've already proven myself a capable player, and I am experienced, and I am a scum hunter. If you don't think I'm a townie, look at how the votes played out. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2011 15:56 bumatlarge wrote: I like radfield or jimbo, as soon as they identify their lynch target I'll choose between them, On October 15 2011 05:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At this point in time, my top three likely votes are for wiggles/radfield/jimbo. On October 15 2011 08:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If I could choose mayor/pardoner right now, it would be one of Jimbo/Radfield for the one position, and then someone else, On October 15 2011 13:21 GreYMisT wrote:I agree with a number of people in the thread that have said we need to elect a mayor who we feel most comfortable being not mafia, that for me is Jimbo. On October 15 2011 14:39 GreYMisT wrote: Although I still feel like jimbo is the best option out of the current canidates I thought I would give everyone another option. On October 15 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Jimbo is not bad, but it is unclear whether or not he is a good candidate for elected office On October 15 2011 15:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote: As for mayor. It's still between wiggles/radfield/jimbo, On October 15 2011 16:56 Foolishness wrote: Greymist/Jimbo as our elected officials. On October 15 2011 18:40 prplhz wrote: mig/rad/jimbo/greymist are probably the ones who can garner most support so lets focus on them On October 16 2011 01:02 kitaman27 wrote: Jimbo has been showing signs of scumhunting, so I might consider him. On October 15 2011 13:14 Protactinium wrote: JimboSilvers - 1 bumatlarge There's a lot more support in the thread than shows in the votes. Does that disconnect feel a little odd to anyone else? This is the other half of play that I'm always talking about: Listening, and gauging the reaction of the thread. If I was mafia, do you think I would still have only one vote? No. Mafia would have pulled out by now, or put up more support for their guy. I honestly think that I am the best candidate still, and dispite several other people agreeing with me (in pms, and in thread), the votes aren't there. Doesn't that seem just a little odd? Sorry jimbo, I don't think its happening for you, and I've never seen radfield play the manipulative mafia mayor role, so I'll take my chances with the next smartest person. Also, I feel really strongly about chaoser as scum, not just because of the DB thing. WBG is pretty much on my level with what I think about him. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 13:34 wherebugsgo wrote: DINGDINGDING we have a Without further ado, I shall present to you all: wherebugsgo's Traveling Circus Featuring: The Scum of the Day Ladies and gents, Tudors and Lancasters, Commoners and Yorkers+ Show Spoiler + (and anyone I may have missed inbetween, *wink* *wink*) CHAOSER! + Show Spoiler + cue applause yaaaaaay go chaoser yaaaaay clap clap clap clap For his first trick, chaoser displays: contradiction! Observe carefully as he says that he will support sandroba and Radfield if he doesn't gain ground while seeking election, and then backpedals on Radfield! + Show Spoiler + [13:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [13:39] <chaoser> myself [13:40] <wherebugsgo> and who else? [13:42] <chaoser> i don't know, i don't trust anyone else enough to want them in an elected role [13:42] <chaoser> but i feel like that's pretty much how everyone should feel [13:42] <chaoser> about elections [13:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [13:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [13:42] <chaoser> or rad [13:42] <chaoser> it'd force them to keep contributing [13:43] <wherebugsgo> so wait [13:43] <wherebugsgo> do you or do you not trust sandroba/radfield? [13:44] <chaoser> i trust them as much as i can shake a thumb at them but since I don't know if they're 100% town I'm weary [13:44] <chaoser> who are you goign to vote for? [13:45] <wherebugsgo> mmm [13:45] <wherebugsgo> probably syllo [13:45] <chaoser> the syllo mig team? [13:45] <chaoser> they're running together btw [13:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah, I know [13:46] <chaoser> k [13:46] <chaoser> so you trust both of them? [13:46] <wherebugsgo> syllo is my strongest town read atm, yes [13:46] <wherebugsgo> and Mig is pretty up there too [13:48] <chaoser> is this from thread [13:48] <chaoser> or PMs? [13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs mostly [13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs and thread for syllo + Show Spoiler [disclaimer] + This was early yesterday, when I believed syllo and Mig were town. Today, I am unsure and I will get to this later + Show Spoiler + [18:47] <chaoser> they are? [19:20] <chaoser> where did they say that? [19:34] <wherebugsgo> wait what? sorry [19:34] <wherebugsgo> I don't know what you're referring to because this IRC window is fresh [19:34] <wherebugsgo> so I have nothing from the previous session [19:34] <chaoser> [18:57] <wherebugsgo> so sandroba and radfield were planning on running together?\ [19:34] <chaoser> i was at work [19:35] <wherebugsgo> they said that earlier in IRC I believe [19:35] <wherebugsgo> now sandroba supports syllo [19:35] <chaoser> ok [19:35] <wherebugsgo> so you would still support Radfield for office [19:35] <wherebugsgo> if you didn't gain any ground? [19:36] <chaoser> if i don't gain any ground i'll vote syllo [19:37] <wherebugsgo> why the change of heart? [19:38] <chaoser> i didn't have a change of heart? [19:38] <chaoser> i said i woudl vote sandroba [19:38] <chaoser> if he ran [19:39] <chaoser> he said he's not running [19:39] <chaoser> and that he suports syllo [19:39] <chaoser> where is the change of heart in that? [19:40] <wherebugsgo> you said you'd support radfield or sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad [19:41] <wherebugsgo> yep [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] == No such nick: chaoser [19:42] <wherebugsgo> so now [19:42] == No such nick: chaoser [19:42] <chaoser> ok apparently if i copy paste the log [19:42] <chaoser> i get disconencted [19:42] <chaoser> but go look [19:42] <chaoser> in the logs [19:42] <chaoser> where do i say [19:42] <chaoser> i'm voting radfield? [19:42] <wherebugsgo> you say you want sandroba or rad [19:42] <wherebugsgo> elected [19:42] <wherebugsgo> not syllo [19:42] <chaoser> i never said that [19:42] <wherebugsgo> yes you did you just copied it [19:42] <wherebugsgo> [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad [19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba, or rad [19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba's gone [19:43] <wherebugsgo> so that leaves rad [19:43] <wherebugsgo> why syllo and not rad? [19:43] <chaoser> oh ok, i thought you meant like a combo [19:43] <wherebugsgo> what? [19:43] <wherebugsgo> you said OR [19:43] <wherebugsgo> how the hell is that a combo [19:44] <chaoser> yeah i know, you said are you voting for rad? [19:44] <wherebugsgo> ok brb custom [19:44] <chaoser> ? [19:44] <chaoser> what's custom [19:45] <wherebugsgo> sc2 [19:45] <chaoser> ... [19:48] <chaoser> i meant to say that if i had to vote otherwise besides myself i would vote sand or rad but that i didn't fully 100% trust either one of them. I believe sandroba to be townish and radfield I'm not sure about, hence why previously I had said a null read on him. At the time, those were the only two people I were thinking and I didn't notice syllo at all. After talkign to sandroba about it, I [19:48] <chaoser> reread syllo's posts and they seemed decently protownie to me. That is why [21:00] <wherebugsgo> okay [21:00] == No such nick: chaoser Chaoser says he'll vote sandroba or Radfield if he himself doesn't gain much ground, then completely avoids Radfield like the plague. He even says "oh I thought you meant combo" when he himself said sandroba OR radfield, never sandroba AND radfield. Weird, eh? What else has Chaoser got to show us? It looks like.... Using past games to "prove" a point! + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2011 12:27 chaoser wrote: ![[image loading]](http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/26/9938-mikehaggar.jpg) Chaoser For Mayor! I will hunt every scum down. My record in XXXVIII, XXXIX and LOTR speaks for itself. I will lead this town to victory. Vote Chaoser. Then calling out supersoft for using similar logic for supporting someone else for mayor! + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 05:59 chaoser wrote: Your only criteria for voting for someone is that you've played in previously PM games with them and that they are active all the time? There are other things too, but I've stopped here because I have been in IRC this entire time and have lost my focus on this post. I'll clarify more things/reasons if anyone wants me to. (I'm on IRC) Here's a conversation we just had in which chaoser provides reasons as to why he's playing the way he's playing: + Show Spoiler + [20:47] <chaosers> yo [20:48] <wherebugsgo> sup [20:49] <chaosers> why do you think i'm mafia? [20:49] <wherebugsgo> you'll find out soon enough [20:49] <wherebugsgo> besides DB who do you want lynched? [20:49] <wherebugsgo> and why? [20:49] <chaosers> hiro [20:49] <chaosers> rafield [20:49] <chaosers> anyone saying mafia won't run for office [20:50] <chaosers> basically [20:50] <wherebugsgo> okay [20:50] <wherebugsgo> so why hiro? [20:50] <wherebugsgo> besides that [20:50] <wherebugsgo> it can't be the only reason lol [20:50] <chaosers> I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be: [20:50] <chaosers> Sandroba [20:50] <chaosers> Jumbo [20:50] <chaosers> Radfield [20:50] <chaosers> All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least. [20:51] <chaosers> chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to. [20:51] <chaosers> stuff like that [20:51] <chaosers> no, they dont have platforms, but I was putting out who I would like to run based on there performance this game so far. [20:51] <chaosers> I look up to you and your play as something to emulate, and while your past performance in leading town is impressive, you haven't done much of that this game. Or perhaps i should say your number 4 behind sand/jumbo/rad. I might vote for you, but you got to give me more reasons [20:51] <chaosers> then he says [20:51] <chaosers> I am of the opinion that the scum teams wont try running for mayor unless they have some role combo that would stop DT checks (I doubt all three would have this). maybe 2 out of 3. maybe. [20:52] <chaosers> by that logic [20:52] <chaosers> i'd be least likely to have a combo role [20:52] <wherebugsgo> so again, other than the fact that he overlooked the fact that several roles in the game have the ability to be strong as scum in office, why is hiro scum? [20:52] <chaosers> since i'm 19 [20:53] <chaosers> cool, Im voting for Radfield. [20:53] <chaosers> My dream picks are Rad/mig for Mayor/pardoner right now. Both have put a good amount of effort into the thread or PMs. Both are good scumhunters (Well I dont know about Rad, Im going of reputation. but Mig is for sure). [20:53] <chaosers> My only hang up about Mig is that prior to getting his role, he showed no interest into becoming Mayor. I might be overly paranoid, but I dont think any scum would have been gunning for the Mayor slot until they got there role. [20:53] <chaosers> he says he's vointg for rad [20:53] <chaosers> and immediately pairs him with mig [20:53] <chaosers> who is a lot more townie [20:55] <wherebugsgo> sooo [20:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't really see you [20:55] <wherebugsgo> providing reasons [20:55] <wherebugsgo> just saying he likes Radfield and Mig for office [20:55] <wherebugsgo> so he's scum? [20:55] <wherebugsgo> lol [20:56] <chaosers> if you're going to tunnel me [20:56] <chaosers> then tunnel me [20:56] <chaosers> you've played games where i've played mafia [20:57] <wherebugsgo> I've played one game [20:57] <chaosers> ask yourself if my play this game is a result of me being mafia or a product of being overworked, underslept, and out of my element [20:57] <wherebugsgo> where you're scum [20:57] <wherebugsgo> uhh lol [20:57] <wherebugsgo> don't get all emotional with me [20:57] <wherebugsgo> that shit doesn't work [20:57] <chaosers> i ain't getting emotional [20:57] <chaosers> that's my excuse for my play [20:57] <chaosers> take it or leave it [20:57] <wherebugsgo> well, you're pulling in outside of game excuses [20:57] <wherebugsgo> for your play [20:57] <chaosers> indeed i am [20:57] <wherebugsgo> you really think that's going to help your case, then so be it [20:58] <chaosers> it's called emta [20:58] <wherebugsgo> however [20:58] <wherebugsgo> your meta would suggest that you are scum this game [20:58] <chaosers> from the one game you played with me/ [20:58] <wherebugsgo> no [20:58] <wherebugsgo> primarily from what I saw in LOTR when you were town [20:58] <chaosers> you mean at the end of that game? [20:58] <wherebugsgo> as town you don't seem to back off when you think someone is scm [20:58] <wherebugsgo> yep [20:59] <chaosers> did i back off from people when i was scum in that one game where i was mafia? [20:59] <wherebugsgo> you bussed in that game [20:59] <chaosers> have i EVER backed off people? [20:59] <wherebugsgo> other than that [21:00] <chaosers> so all of a sudden i decide it's ok in my play [21:00] <wherebugsgo> you pushed DB [21:00] <chaosers> to back off people [21:00] <wherebugsgo> sorry, Pyo [21:00] <wherebugsgo> as a mislynch [21:00] <wherebugsgo> you push bad townies [21:00] <wherebugsgo> as scum [21:00] <chaosers> that's like every scum,at least this time after talkign to people [21:00] <chaosers> i acknowledge [21:00] <chaosers> he was bad lynch [21:00] <chaosers> and gave up on it [21:01] <chaosers> if i had kept pushing it i can understand [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> just [21:02] <chaosers> whatever [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> clearly nothing i say [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> will convince you otherwise [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> lol [21:03] <wherebugsgo> trololool [21:03] <chaosers> trololol [21:04] <wherebugsgo> oh btw [21:04] <wherebugsgo> XLIV doesn't apply as much here, since you decided you'd bus Mig as your plan from day 1 [21:04] <wherebugsgo> bussing doesn't really work here when you have 3 scumteams and each team is made of 4 players each [21:04] <chaosers> you know you could go look at every other game [21:04] <chaosers> i've palyed mafia [21:05] <chaosers> besides that one right? [21:05] <wherebugsgo> so whether your meta as scum applies from XLIV here doesn't matter [21:05] <wherebugsgo> no, actually, there's no game where someone as scum (for good players, anyway) will apply here [21:05] <wherebugsgo> really we can only use town meta [21:05] <wherebugsgo> because that's what will be consistent [21:05] <wherebugsgo> scum meta is going to be useless because even scum in this game will want to "scumhunt" [21:05] <chaosers> ok so in a game [21:05] <chaosers> that's soooo easy [21:05] <wherebugsgo> in XLIV you bussed Mig two days in a row, so your "meta" there is largely useless [21:05] <chaosers> to scumhunt [21:06] <chaosers> you'd think [21:06] <chaosers> i'd be a lot better at it huh? [21:06] <wherebugsgo> in this game? [21:06] <wherebugsgo> yeah definitely [21:06] <chaosers> yeah [21:06] <chaosers> in this game [21:06] <chaosers> yeah [21:06] <chaosers> but i didn't [21:06] <chaosers> if i was mafia, i'd be living it up [21:06] <wherebugsgo> I'd think you'd actually put some heart into it if you were town [21:06] <chaosers> it' be liek bussing mafia that weren't even on my team [21:06] <wherebugsgo> wtf? [21:06] <chaosers> by bussing i mean [21:06] <wherebugsgo> yes, kinda [21:06] <chaosers> i'd be hunting mafia [21:06] <wherebugsgo> you would get towncred [21:06] <chaosers> like it was going out of fashion [21:07] <chaosers> yeah [21:07] <wherebugsgo> but [21:07] <wherebugsgo> you'd still have an agenda [21:07] <wherebugsgo> and your agenda is apparent [21:07] <chaosers> i understan that's like WIFOM [21:07] <wherebugsgo> you want to lynch people who appear scummy [21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro and DB are fucking terrible lynches and you'd know that if you were town [21:07] <wherebugsgo> you saw XLIV and how bad they both played [21:07] <wherebugsgo> DB as medic and hiro as VT [21:07] <chaosers> i don't even remember hiro [21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro fakeclaimed vet [21:07] <chaosers> as a player [21:07] <wherebugsgo> and DB claimed DT? into medic [21:07] <wherebugsgo> and then got himself shot [21:08] <wherebugsgo> cause he was dumb. [21:08] <chaosers> i remember someone doing that but not who it was [21:08] <chaosers> but now i do [21:08] <chaosers> so thanks [21:08] <wherebugsgo> now he's doing something dumb again and you jump all over him as if that's some sort of huge tell that he's scum [21:08] <wherebugsgo> same with hiro [21:08] <wherebugsgo> hiro is being standard hiro for all intents and purposes [21:08] <wherebugsgo> and you want to lynch him because he's "scummy" without actually providing real reasons [21:08] <wherebugsgo> if you were town [21:08] <chaosers> he said [21:09] <wherebugsgo> you would recognize that these two players are both known for this kind of play [21:09] <chaosers> that he thinks mafia would run for office [21:09] <chaosers> unless they have combos [21:09] <wherebugsgo> and you would give them time [21:09] <wherebugsgo> he thinks they would NOT run for office [21:09] <chaosers> um, i'm sorry but i'm not super jesus with a memory of 100 [21:09] <chaosers> i on't remember bad palyers [21:09] <chaosers> the only bad player i remember [21:09] <chaosers> is kenpachi [21:09] <chaosers> cause i got him lynched once as town [21:09] <chaosers> and he was town [21:09] <wherebugsgo> you just played a game [21:09] <chaosers> and lsot us the game [21:09] <wherebugsgo> full of bad players [21:09] <wherebugsgo> in LoTR [21:10] <chaosers> yeah, and i only remember the last few poeple [21:10] <chaosers> heist [21:10] <chaosers> and trancestorm [21:10] <chaosers> mostly trancesotrm [21:10] <wherebugsgo> and Drazerk [21:10] <chaosers> i will never play with that guy again [21:10] <chaosers> drazerk protected my ass [21:10] <chaosers> i high five him [21:10] <wherebugsgo> he also protted iGrok [21:10] <wherebugsgo> the "survivor Balrog" [21:10] <chaosers> yeah that was really stupid... [21:10] <chaosers> hey, i actually thought iGRok was actualyl th balrog [21:10] <wherebugsgo> and also believed kita's tracker claim IIRC rofl [21:11] <chaosers> everyon believd his claim [21:11] <wherebugsgo> and by everyone, you mean all the townies who were left [21:11] <wherebugsgo> and almost all of them were bad to some extent at least lol [21:11] <wherebugsgo> heist believes any claim [21:11] <chaosers> um, it was day 2 when he claimed [21:11] <chaosers> i tihnk [21:11] <wherebugsgo> no it was later than that [21:11] <chaosers> day 3 [21:12] <wherebugsgo> all the good townies were dead by that point [21:12] <wherebugsgo> but anyway [21:12] <wherebugsgo> I think you're a good player as town [21:12] <wherebugsgo> which is why I seriously question your motives [21:12] <wherebugsgo> when you push DB and hiro [21:12] <chaosers> jesus that was such a shit game... [21:12] <chaosers> mafia were so stacked with good palyers... [21:13] <chaosers> jackal things hiro is a good lynch too> [21:15] <chaosers> mig agrees that peopel who said mafia aren't running in elections is scummy as well? [21:15] <chaosers> i talke to both of them before i decided on hiro [21:15] <chaosers> this was after the DB thing [21:16] <wherebugsgo> 1. the other things that Jackal and Mig have done/said are not quite as scummy as what you have done [21:16] <chaosers> i was out of it from work [21:16] <wherebugsgo> 2. they actually have good reasons [21:16] <wherebugsgo> and can provide them [21:16] <wherebugsgo> 3. they have some original opinions. [21:17] <wherebugsgo> I can't find anything that you've said that hadn't already been said by some other person in the game already [21:17] <chaosers> i've been in the ER for like 15 hours [21:17] <chaosers> in the past three days [21:17] <chaosers> + med school classes [21:17] <wherebugsgo> dude [21:17] <wherebugsgo> a lot of us have school too [21:17] <chaosers> i'm sorry that i haven't been puttign in my 100% [21:17] <wherebugsgo> I don't care what's going on outside of game [21:17] <wherebugsgo> if that's an issue [21:17] <chaosers> did you have to hold someone's liver for three hours straight? [21:17] <wherebugsgo> request a replacement [21:17] <wherebugsgo> do I care? [21:17] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:18] <chaosers> apparently you don't [21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game isn't about sparing who I have the most sympathy for [21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game is about finding scum and killing them [21:18] <chaosers> i'm not saying [21:18] <chaosers> pity me [21:18] <chaosers> i'm saying [21:18] <wherebugsgo> certainly sounds like it lol [21:18] <chaosers> whether i'm scum or not [21:18] <chaosers> wil lbe clear [21:18] <chaosers> in a ay or two [21:18] <chaosers> especailly after elections [21:18] <wherebugsgo> "oh look at how much work I've been doing irl please let me live" [21:18] <chaosers> sigh [21:18] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:18] <chaosers> your arguement against me [21:19] <chaosers> is that i'm not playing up to snuff [21:19] <chaosers> my defense is that i know i'm not [21:19] <chaosers> and this is the reason why [21:19] <wherebugsgo> so you think [21:19] <wherebugsgo> we should lynch hiro/DB instead of you? [21:19] <wherebugsgo> or Radfield lol [21:19] <chaosers> i think radfield [21:19] <chaosers> actually [21:19] <chaosers> i don't think [21:19] <chaosers> i nee to reread the thread [21:19] <chaosers> when i'm not dea tired [21:19] <chaosers> and then talk to people [21:19] <wherebugsgo> loool [21:19] <chaosers> restart the game [21:20] <wherebugsgo> you have like [21:20] <wherebugsgo> 24 hours tomorrow [21:20] <wherebugsgo> it's a saturday [21:20] <wherebugsgo> if you're really this tired you'll have plenty of time to save yourself! [21:20] <chaosers> hospitals don't clsoe on weekends btw, but i'll only be busy from 5AM-9AM [21:21] <chaosers> how old are you -_- [21:21] <chaosers> to compare school to med school is ridiculous... [21:21] <wherebugsgo> I'm a physics/linguistics undergrad at UC Berkeley [21:21] <wherebugsgo> don't try to use the school excuse on me lol [21:22] <wherebugsgo> I realize that med school is hard [21:22] <wherebugsgo> but it's a pathetic excuse [21:22] <chaosers> come to med school, see our 80 hour work week [21:22] <wherebugsgo> dude [21:22] <chaosers> that's liek average [21:22] <wherebugsgo> if you're so bogged down [21:22] <wherebugsgo> why the hell are you playing mafia? [21:22] <wherebugsgo> if this is real I can't imagine you're even enjoying the game [21:22] <chaosers> i wasn't expecting to be this bogge down [21:22] <chaosers> one of my coworkers [21:22] <chaosers> is out sick [21:22] <chaosers> so i had to take their shift for this week [21:23] <chaosers> i'll be free all of next week [21:23] <chaosers> from shifts [21:23] <chaosers> since he'll be back [21:23] <wherebugsgo> zZz [21:23] <chaosers> and covering all of mine [21:23] <chaosers> and no [21:23] <chaosers> i'm not enjoyign this game [21:23] <chaosers> rightn ow [21:23] <wherebugsgo> I would think if you were town you'd probably request replacement lol [21:23] <wherebugsgo> but whatever [21:23] <chaosers> you know, you could try being a little bit less of a condescending ass [21:23] <wherebugsgo> I'm being condescending? [21:23] <wherebugsgo> rofl [21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm not saying I'm better than you [21:24] <chaosers> with the zZzs and lol's [21:24] <chaosers> ? [21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm just saying this is really underhanded [21:24] <chaosers> patronizing [21:24] <wherebugsgo> it's total bullshit IMO [21:24] <wherebugsgo> to be using IRL excuses in a game of psychology [21:24] <wherebugsgo> and in fact [21:24] <wherebugsgo> anyone who does so [21:24] <wherebugsgo> IMO [21:24] <wherebugsgo> and then doesn't do anything about it [21:24] <wherebugsgo> is insta scum [21:24] <wherebugsgo> you seem to be completely apathetic [21:24] <chaosers> i am doing somthing about it [21:24] <wherebugsgo> what, exactly? [21:24] <chaosers> i talk to gm [21:24] <chaosers> ed [21:24] <chaosers> about getting him to replace me [21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM? [21:25] <chaosers> but that's outsie the game [21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM is not hosting this game lol [21:25] <chaosers> yeah [21:25] <chaosers> but he said [21:25] <wherebugsgo> and he's not able to play either [21:25] <chaosers> he's in charge [21:25] <chaosers> of somestuff [21:25] <chaosers> yeah Other people who would make a good lynch today: sandroba prplhz People who need to die at some point: Radfield Meapak People who are scummy: supersoft wiggles arctocod People who are null or just plain unreadable atm: Mig Syllogism Jimbo Scamp Jackal hiro Node Everyone else is some combination of null/town to me atm. There are a few players I haven't really talked to yet and am not yet concerned about. These players I expect to either be modkilled or to be relevant issues later in the game. I mostly see a desperation to be elected from chaoser, rather then wanting to be elected to help town. Scumhunting is a major mayor attribute, but blatantly making it the sole reason to get elected provides little assurance that you aren't scum. In fact chaoser, it's funny you should call out WBG on questioning alot without giving alot of information, because I felt thats what basically happened between us after I pretty much gave you my gameplan. I'm not very active this game, but I do know where being tired effects your game. I don't see it in the elements WBG is calling you out on. I see alternative motives and contentless posts. On October 13 2011 00:18 chaoser wrote: This is made worse by the fact that there are different mafia factions in this game so things get even more confusing with them all going for the same roles and possibly same strats and soon you'll have to deal with the mess that happened in PYP2 where a traitor said someone picked his role in the top 5 and we ended up losing two days to that alone except this time it will probably be worse when we try to control the role list. Sandroba hits the nail on the head. This game is about outlasting, not about trying to win the game as early as possible as town. The longer the game goes on, the more mafia will have to start worrying about each other and the more information and time town has to figure everything out. Let the mafia deal with fighting over roles, we should focus on getting as many protective roles as possible. Look at how LOTR played out: Two medics basically bought town enough time to lynch the last three mafia. I'd say protective roles are #1 picks and then investigative roles and then KP roles. Mafia will probably be going for as many KP as possible to try to overcome our defensive roles if we play like this so we can just lynch anyone suspicious that also has KP. I really get nothing out of these posts. Referencing other games are fine, and I do agree with the point made on having let mafia fight over roles, but this isn't advice as much as it is fluff. It's hardly specific, and mentioning general outlasting tactics is more luck-based then skill-based. You are making it off to be that mafia won't like to take defensive roles just as much as we do. A random townie is only slightly more likely to be shot then a mafia member. Telling people to take roles that focus on people they trust is generally bad this game. Mentioning medic as an actual good role in this format is blasphemous. I can think of nothing less threatening then knowing there is a town aligned anonymous medic, protecting whoever they want to. With so many shots going around and 4 factions, self protection almost always seems more reliable, since you know you will be protecting town. The generic "lynch anyone suspicious with KP" seems like awful "I am helping" trash. You consistently reference your scumhunting abilities, yet I really don't see this as your primary motive through your posts. On October 13 2011 09:25 chaoser wrote: If we're doing a top three deny strat we should definitely include framer in there. It's way overpowered. On October 14 2011 01:42 chaoser wrote: In the interest of making 100% sure that we keep the framer role out of the mafia's hands I suggest that someone pick Qatol and then ban it once Dropbear has gotten it. It takes the ambiguity of whether Dropbear is actually mafia or not. I can't think of a single situation where a townie framer would be advantageous that would likely come up that wouldn't just cause more confusion and disruption. You name a bad plan, and then you push dropbear for your lynch for what you proposed. This is silly stuff. You don't try to help and then fail like this as town. You try to help to appear like you are helping so that you can be the candidate for your team since no one else is able to. I think chaoser is as good as first lynch candidates go. I will vote for another mayor if radfield does not plan on lynching chaoser. | ||
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