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On October 12 2011 12:55 kitaman27 wrote: kp roles may not be as important, but I do think there is value in the Ace role. Essentially everyone can be forced to claim that they are town in the thread and the role becomes the Dreamflower role, without the penalty of death if you are incorrect. This idea is very good. It makes the Ace role godly, 2 shot vig that can only hit mafia. At the beginning of the day everyone should be required to claim town so that the person with Ace isn't required to role claim and force people to say it. | ||
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I mean how exactly do you expect Ace to be able to prove it? Does he hook up a polygraph machine to his suspect? He shows the host something the person says, if it is a lie the shot goes through if it is the truth it doesn't. I mean please tell me what other way the role could possibly work. Duh | ||
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1) I put a lot of effort in whenever I play. I haven't posted much in the thread so far but I have talked to a lot of people for extended periods of time on irc/skype. If I am mayor people will always be able to get ahold of me and I will always discuss with them my ideas and thoughts. If anyone wants to add me on skype/aim my names are migcom123. Or they can pm me and I will respond to them. Along with this I am on irc a ton and I generally pm a lot of people myself to get their opinions (although I haven't done so yet). 2) Here is the biggest point by far for why I am the best mayor candidate. Transparency. I am a very strong town player and a horrible scum player. This isn't an opinion this is fact. In 10+ games as town I have never been lynched, in fact I am not sure I have ever even been voted for after day1. As scum I have been lynched 3 out of the 4 games I have played. Everyone is going to be able to see that I am town very easily and if not I will be an easy lynch. There is a reason syllo already is convinced I am town. Me and syllo talk very regularly on skype and he knows me well. Unless you think we fluked into me and him being on the same scum team and now we are taking the massive risk to tie ourselves together strongly then he truly believes I am town. If you elect someone like wiggles/radfield/chaoser you may get a very good townie as mayor but you also run the risk of electing someone who is also very good at scum and who could use their position to mislead the town. You don't have that risk electing me. Advice 1) Adjust what you are looking for and spend more time looking for townies. Seeing someone do a traditional analyses and getting a scum lynched would normally almost confirm them as town. At the beginning of this game it means practically nothing. So look for ideas and plans that can only benefit the town and hurt the scum as a whole. Wiggles is right in that much of day1 is kind of useless. Sandroba/Radfield could create those plans very easily as scum. But there are a few smaller things that people proposed which were extremely beneficial to only town and harmful for scum. So look for those if you can find 5-6 people you think are very likely town then suddenly your odds of lynching correctly go through the roof. 2) Turtle hardcore. Just like in SC2 or any other last man standing FFA game the correct strategy for us is to turtle and hope our enemies kill each other. Which means a few things A) Green checks are more valuable than red ones early in the game. DTs I don't believe should be checking suspicious people early on. DTs should check people they think are likely town, not likely to be framed/gf and could possibly be protective roles. Then try to organize these protections to protect each other and insure mafia are not. Obviously there is always a risk of your check not being true so use your own discretion before claiming but forming small circles of mostly confirmed townies and trying to survive until the end game is how we will win. Remember we cannot win, even if we lynch correctly everyday, if the mafia do not shoot each other and we get some protections. Our goal should be to keep each other alive and let the mafias do much of our work for us. B) No DT should ever claim, unless we are very far into the game, to get a red lynched. And in fact make sure not to push in a way that could even make people suspect you as a dt. Almost half the people in the game are red, a 1-1 trade dt for red is horrible for us so use caution. Day 1 lynch. First I will say that obviously I will be reading the entire thread and I will use everything before making my decision but I intend to focus the most on the other mayor candidates. I disagree with Radfield's idea that there is a good chance some scum teams wont run for mayor. Unless the scum team has a group of players who don't think they can possibly win election then I think they will all send out at least 1 candidate, the benefits of having bodyguards is insanely good for mafia since they are also afraid of the other scum teams. And especially with there potentially being multiple roles which can block checks I doubt they will be that afraid to run. Because of this I believe the mayor candidates will have an above average % of scum. I want it to be clear, I would not policy lynch a random mayor candidate. I will look at everything closely in case anything is obvious but I will focus most of my attention on the runners. Pardoner I will never use my power to pardon anyone other than if some power is used. If I think someone is very strongly town I will argue my ass off in the thread to try and save them but I think pardoning them in most scenarios is only going to lead the town into confusion and the likely deaths of other townies. | ||
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Dropbear I think is very likely to not be scum, he is just an idiot. First of all he clearly didn't claim scum he says we can work together to eliminate the 2 other scum factions. Implying that he is town and expects to be contacted by a 3rd mafia faction. Second of all what are the odds that he as scum claims in thread he is going to take framer and then posts that in thread to get ahold of other mafia? Why wouldn't he do it secretly and use pms to contact people he wanted to ally with? Exactly what mafia motivation does he have for doing these things? It is just a retarded gambit by db to lure scum out but really it has virtually 0% chance of success and its going to fuck up the thread. And I don't want to wake up to 10 pages of everyone screaming for his blood over this so I will just reveal it now. He told me this in irc. Here are the logs + Show Spoiler + [00:10] [00:10] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:12] [00:14] [00:14] [00:15] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:18] [00:18] [00:18] [00:18] So yea my advice is to ignore dropbear's idiocy. | ||
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Addressing a few points brought up 1) I never said people should not analyze, don't be dense. I said you should spend more time analyzing other townies I even gave a brief idea of the types of things people should be looking for instead of using traditional scum hunting as their basis for determining someone's townieness. And I will do plenty of scum hunting, I will put my track record of scum hunting up against almost anyone's. No one should have any concerns about that. 2) My day 0 posting has been bashed a little bit. Take a second and actually look at my day 0 posting. I did not post 5000 times about plans that everyone has agreed now are pretty much null tells. However, I did support kita's idea of turning Ace into a vigi that could only shoot mafia and I brought up the point that JOAT should not be delegated because it is the easiest role for mafia to drop to their teammates. Neither of these are major points but they both ONLY help town and harm mafia. I am not trying to put on some act to appear pro town I posted when I saw something that could be guaranteed to directly help the town and not mafia. Outside of that I have already talked extensively to at least half the town on irc/skype/etc. And I will talk to anyone who wants to talk to me. If you have your doubts about me being town then message me on skype/irc/aim/etc. I will discuss ideas and give my opinions to anyone. If you don't want to take syllo or sandroba's word that I am likely town that's fine. Message me yourself and we can discuss any concerns you have. | ||
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However, I am still the best candidate to be mayor. I have talked to a huge amount of the town at length on irc/skype/etc. Does anyone who has talked to me think I am scum? Everyone I have talked to for a long time thinks I am probably town. So if anyone thinks I am scum then please post in the thread and why. Right now there are only 3 real candidates me/greymist/radfield. Radfield is a very good player but some people do suspect him, some people trust greymist but to be fair he is a new player. I on the other hand most people think I am town and I am a good veteran player. And as I said in my original mayor post I am very very transparent and it is easy to tell when I am town. So if anyone disagrees with this and thinks I am scum from talking to me I would really like to hear it. Anyway at this point all mayor candidates should have a good idea who they will lynch day 1 If I am elected mayor I intend on lynching chaoser. Chaoser - First of all ran for mayor which I believe should automatically be seen as suspicious since the scum teams have a very strong motivation to all run. Along with that his posting and scum hunting has been well below his normal levels. When I asked him about this in skype he gave reasons such as, being busy at work and not being used to pm games. These reasons could be true but normally chaoser is very very confident when he plays. I find it weird that he feels he has to justify his play with outside reasons at all when normally I think he would just brush it off. After that I asked chaoser who he suspected was scum and he came up with his attack on db. His attack on db was extremely half-assed and poorly thought out, way way below his normal excellent scum hunting ability. In fact just a few minutes later he back peddled on db deciding he was wrong. When I said ok well who is scum then and he just gave me a vague criteria he finds suspicious but no solid names and no other names. Normally chaoser is a very strong scum hunter, he even bragged about it as the main reason to vote him in his mayor post. So where is the scum hunting? Finally from the people I have talked to most of them support chaoser being lynched. This might normally be a red flag but I think it is actually good in this setup. The other 2 scum teams will be actively scum hunting during the day to appear pro town and to eliminate their competition and I believe they have also come to the conclusion that chaoser is scum. Chaoser has done 1 very half assed attempt at scum hunting and nothing else. He has given the town 0 strong opinions on anyone. He feels the need to make excuses to justify his play and is overall just very scummy he needs to die! Vote Mig for mayor and a chaoser lynch! | ||
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Whether I prefer mayor or pardoner I don't care that much honestly. Mayor you know who bgs are and double vote are both extremely power late game. Pardoner is most important to deny from scum hands. But at this point I think there is a good chance Radfield is also town. So town should decide who they trust more and make them pardoner between us. I would say I slightly prefer pardoner since I know for sure I am town and I can't be completely sure of Rad. Anyway and since I can't vote myself I will be voting Rad. | ||
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I have my doubts about the chaoser lynch which I have said multiple times and I have said it to a lot of people, kita, wbg etc. I have been talking to everyone possible about what is the best lynch. So trying to portray this as mig is trying to kill me after I tell him my role is retarded. | ||
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[17:20] [17:24] <@QQmore> probably chaoser still [17:24] <@QQmore> erandorr [17:24] <@QQmore> wiggles [17:24] <@QQmore> still suspicious of sandroba [17:24] <@QQmore> heist probably qq = foolish Bum is in thread. Kita 14:05] [14:06] [14:06] [14:06] [14:06] [14:07] [14:07] I have not lied about anything | ||
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