I agree with Mig btw.

But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly.

that being said:

##Vote Jackal58

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 28 2011 23:57 GMT

#316

On September 29 2011 08:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Show nested quote +

I don't really understand this vote... It's one of my least favorite things in these games for people to just vote others without reason.

Jackal always lurks days 1-2, but there is actually a difference in the content of the things he writes. Whatever little he posts as town is usually at least semi-informative, but Jackal's preferred method of playing scum is to completely deny information.

Feigning mute fits 100% with what I'd expect jackal to do as scum. And if you read through his posts there is almost no content in them.

This is jackal accusing WBG in LOTR on day one:

On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.

Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote.

This is jackal accusing WBG in this game day one:

On September 29 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote:

Bugs is scum. He's not playing like an idiot.

Can you spot the difference? He does at least give reasoning in LOTR, even if most of the post is speculation about mechanics. But at least he posted quite a bit in the first day of that game.

My vote staying on Jackal, I suggest the rest of you do the same.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 09:56 GMT

#387

On September 29 2011 18:46 Curu wrote:
Ok I have read the thread now.

Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh.

That's because you're scum.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 10:43 GMT

#389

On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote:
Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games.

all the role pms were blue?

well not yours, but the others.

##Unvote
##Vote Curu

analysis incoming.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 11:01 GMT

#394

they all said BLU, and in the OP they're all painted blue. It was a throwaway joke, well your reaction just confirms you're red.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 11:03 GMT

#396

On September 29 2011 19:52 Curu wrote:
Kurumi can you copy paste a Mafia sample PM for us please, exactly how it is. Colours and everything.

just paste your own.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 11:12 GMT

#399

it's time!

So, we're 12 hours away from the deadline, it's time to re-read what's been said in the thread so far. Even with the amount of trolling there is surprising amount of information in the thread at this time. We have actually very good reads on a number of people and some have quite clearly established their innocence.

There are two wagons going on atm. I threw out a meta argument against Jackal, I still think it's quite valid, but he's no longer our best lynch today, please check Jackal if you have the ability to do so. WBG is almost definitely not scum, as his posting is way too unrestricted and straightforward. He's not actually helping town at the moment, but at least he's not being scummeryscum.

We actually have a better candidate in Curu, there will be an analysis on him in this post.

I wanna quickly mention this by incog.

On September 29 2011 15:21 Incognito wrote:
The wherebugsgo and jackal58 lynches are just terrible.

Thing is, this is very, very revealing in my opinion. I think Incognito looks scummy at the moment, but regardless of his alignment, this is his opinion or knowledge. I don't think he'd this blatantly defend a team-mate as mafia, and if he's not mafia it's more likely that he's right than the rest of the people in the game. I think we should actually take his advice. I think we should back off those two people.

Here is a new guy we need to worry about

Curu

This is not going to be long. He looks scummy to me in PM land, but the big reason for this is his complete failure to produce anything of relevance to this game.

I don't mind the vote-train that formed on me at the start of the day, but a random voting stage isn't exactly random, there's much more to it and if you pay enough attention you can pick out the scum from within the voters.

And Curu is scum.

Once the random voting stage is over, the correct move forward is to analyse and re-read everything said and try to build a case. Curu knows this, and if you look through his past day 1 play as town you'll see he actively pushes his reads and he works hard to get a lynch in the right direction. Most notable for me is a game I played with him in BC's AA, I was 3rd party in that game (I'm never town...) But that meant I was actually scumhunting. In this game Curu worked really hard to swing a bad vote into a good one.

This game his entire play has consisted of one-liners and uselessness.

The most revealing thing aside from just being generally useless and having nothing of value posted is this thing.

On September 29 2011 05:36 Curu wrote:
WBG is pretty scummy but not at Palmar level yet.

It's the timing that's important. This is actually after people actively started discussing a WBG lynch. ie: the random voting stage is over at this point. I had not posted a single important thing in the game yet, and still he doesn't discuss the issue at hand and just keeps on going after the target of choice from the random voting stage.

This in itself isn't really damning, but the fact that he never goes back to try to analyse or re-read anything, he just sticks to the tunnel when he comes back to the thread.

On September 29 2011 18:46 Curu wrote:
Ok I have read the thread now.

Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh.

With no reasoning, nothing, just keeping the tunnel going.

As a side-note if the mafia pm is actually read instead of just saying "RED" (btw, if anyone wants to know more, first two lines in my role pm both start with the word BLU in capital black non-bolded letters).

The fact that he's jumping this so hard just reinforces my opinion of him being scum.

so to re-iterate

Curu is scum

##Vote Curu

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 11:19 GMT

#401

I like lynching curu, I don't so much like lynching palmar.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 14:49 GMT

#414

On September 29 2011 23:43 Forumite wrote:
Okay, Mig has a few good points on Palmar too. And a fun one, he´s admitting he doesn´t read the thread as scum, that´s good to know.

I don't actually hide that fact lol

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 14:49 GMT

#415

it's why my scum play is always glaringly obvious.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

September 29 2011 19:02 GMT

#457

closing thoughts, I'm sorry but I can't be here at the lynch.

Lynch Curu tomorrow, or just vig him tonight, he's almost definitely scum. I fucked up and gave him a "scumslip" which is the main reason mig believes him. I think mig is town though.

Jackal should be looked at, same with incognito, but the latter will definitely reveal himself through posting. Mig had a good point that alignment checking incog is fruitless as he's almost definitely godfather if he's scum

I'm a BLU Pyro for the record.

I'm sorry but I'm in kind of a hurry so I can't make this much longer, just don't fuck up.